Officers sword pattern 1796 for Light Cavalry?

[Calien]

Good evening gents, thank you for your replies. I should add a few things to this conversation, for example the provenance. This came from the Sitwell legacy estate auction and allegedly it has been in the family for over 150 years. Secondly the scabbard without a doubt is made for this blade, it’s much too irregular to be randomly fitted into one, and the ears are just wide enough for the throat to fit in it as I will provide in the pictures. Lastly there is an image of a Osborne and Gumby 1796 clip point saber with the same scabbard and as far as I’m aware they were only made between 1810-1815. Part of the signature being under the langets really doesn’t raise any meaning to me as many makers signed their name under the langets (French, German ect) i do have issues with the dates though because officially Toledo was shut down there until 1814, but the British did have control of it during several months in 1812.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Calien

... i do have issues with the dates though because officially Toledo was shut down there until 1814, but the British did have control of it during several months in 1812.

Calien, i have burnt my eyelashes searching the Web, under various contexts, on such British control of the factory during some time 1812, but found no results. Can you give us a clue as to where we can learn that ?
Thank you.

[Calien]

Originally Posted by fernando

Calien, i have burnt my eyelashes searching the Web, under various contexts, on such British control of the factory during some time 1812, but found no results. Can you give us a clue as to where we can learn that ?
Thank you.

What I meant to say is that after the battle of Salamanca the British liberated central Spain including Madrid and Toledo for a period of about 5 months, after the French concentrated their army he retreated to Portugal again until 1813. So Toledo itself was under British/Spanish control for a few months that year.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Calien

What I meant to say is that after the battle of Salamanca the British liberated central Spain including Madrid and Toledo for a period of about 5 months, after the French concentrated their army he retreated to Portugal again until 1813. So Toledo itself was under British/Spanish control for a few months that year.

Indeed the battles of Salamanca and Talavera were a strategic move in war.
However i would guess that, the factory of Toledo having been emptied from equipment and personel to tansfer all to Seville (and later Cadiz) arguably such facilities would be operational during that short period. Temporary British control of the city would no be the same thing as having weapons being fabricated; no tools, no mills ... no resources.
Interesting how a Toledan blogger cares more about the Spanish coming back to the city as he doesn't mention the British, who were potentially more presential in neighbour Madrid.

"Toledo continuó estando ocupada por tropas tras la retirada francesa en agosto de 1812. Llegaron las tropas españolas, “los brigantes de Palarea, los del Abuelo y las del Comisario de Yepes”. Se hicieron fiestas por la proclamación de la Constitución y el fin de la Guerra...pero la situación seguía siendo grave. Ahora la ciudad debía acomodar a las tropas españolas, pero los mayores alojamientos habían sido destruidos y la situación de penuria azotaba todos los barrios."

Toledo continued to be occupied by troops after the French withdrawal in August 1812. The Spanish troops arrived, “the brigantes de Palarea, those of the Grandfather and those of the Comisario de Yepes”. Parties were held for the proclamation of the Constitution and the end of the War ... but the situation was still serious. Now the city had to accommodate the Spanish troops, but the main lodgings had been destroyed and the situation of hardship plagued all the neighborhoods

[fernando]

I know i am a pain in the bottom but ...
After a zillion searches i find results not better than this (type of) blade having been introduced in Spanish swords earlier than in the mid XIX century. Call it espadas (sables) alfanjadas, a la Turca, you name it. How come the yelman was present in the low(est) 1800's ?. What am i missing here ? Assuming Calien's blade is Toledan, can anyone help me find written work referring to these blades existing in Toledo as soon as posted and discussed here ?