Pappenheimer - identifying maker

[fernando]

If the punch mark pictures were in the inverted position, some Toledo marks would (sort of) match that one. But the name on the blade being JOHANNIS, i don't think Toledo is a possibility.
Beautiful sword, by the way.


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[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by fernando

If the punch mark pictures were in the inverted position, some Toledo marks would (sort of) match that one. But the name on the blade being JOHANNIS, i don't think Toledo is a possibility.
Beautiful sword, by the way.


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Didn't Johannis Brach work for a while in Toledo too?

I seem to remember there are a couple of swords made by him in Toledo, that were in the imperial Russian collection?!

[fernando]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Didn't Johannis Brach work for a while in Toledo too?

I seem to remember there are a couple of swords made by him in Toledo, that were in the imperial Russian collection?!

He could have; i am not sure. The punch is in a place typically used by 'real' Toledan smiths; although it doesn't appear in Palomares nomina.
What about if Triarii showed us the other side of the blade; does it have the same lettering ?

[cornelistromp]

the name IOHANNI, which is almost certainly a Solingen bladesmith's signature and found on a number of swords from the first half of the the 17thC. cf JP Puype the visser colection part3, p234

[fernando]

I would not be surprised, neither many of us that, some German (Solingen) smiths latinized their names to atract the Iberian market. What is new for me is their stamping punzones in blade ricassos as if they were Toledan masters.
Well, we learn until we die.

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by fernando

I would not be surprised, neither many of us that, some German (Solingen) smiths latinized their names to atract the Iberian market. What is new for me is their stamping punzones in blade ricassos as if they were Toledan masters.
Well, we learn until we die.

Hi Fernando, herewith some examples
Clemes Brach used the Toledo (quality) mark , Clemens Tesche used a similar stamp as Alonso de Sahagun and Peter Tesche the one of Pedro del Velmonte.

best,
Jasper

[fernando]

Ah ... now i am learning .
What can one (smith) do to make a living .
Thank you so much Jasper, for the rather precious info .
Vrolijk Kerstfeest

[Triarii]

Originally Posted by fernando

He could have; i am not sure. The punch is in a place typically used by 'real' Toledan smiths; although it doesn't appear in Palomares nomina.
What about if Triarii showed us the other side of the blade; does it have the same lettering ?

Hi all,

Both sides appear to be the same punch. Here are two photos of one side, two of the other with differing lighting (the little line/flaw to the left is the discriminating mark).