An appeal to all non-posting members

S.Al-Anizi · 4th June 2006, 10:01 PM

Hello,

Ive known vikingsword for a long time, and Ive just joined, I already posted a few times, but I must say, Im very familiar with this forum, its moderators, and its members.

HINT: im the guy right above...

Rick · 4th June 2006, 10:23 PM

I have a question for the young man formerly known as Mark Carter .

Do you have a first part of your name that you would like us to call you as we did your former persona Mark ?

A warm (re) welcome to the forum .

Rick

S.Al-Anizi · 4th June 2006, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I have a question for the young man formerly known as Mark Carter .

Do you have a first part of your name that you would like us to call you as we did your former persona Mark ?

A warm (re) welcome to the forum .

Rick

hehehe... I really do not know what to say, I have no credibility anymore, as I am a pathological liar because of this 4 year long lie.

I wish to retain my former persona, "mark", in the minds of the board members, and resume to share my limited knowledge in my field, and continue helping with translations from arabic, but with a new name, my real name and character, Saqr, pronounced "Saggir". I wish you would delete my older account, and that I would re-start with this one.

Thanks for all the help Rick

Rick · 5th June 2006, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

hehehe... I really do not know what to say, I have no credibility anymore, as I am a pathological liar because of this 4 year long lie.

I wish to retain my former persona, "mark", in the minds of the board members, and resume to share my limited knowledge in my field, and continue helping with translations from arabic, but with a new name, my real name and character, Saqr, pronounced "Saggir". I wish you would delete my older account, and that I would re-start with this one.

Thanks for all the help Rick

Well then , Saqr it is and will be .

I suppose I could ban the old Mark Carter but that would be fruitless ; we certainly do not wish to delete your old posts so let us consider you reborn !
A Phoenix rising from the ashes of your old persona . We shall just let the old persona fade into obscurity Saqr .

From now on Mark Carter is history and he is reborn as you .

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Jim , beautifully said on your part !
I was lost until I was directed here by Paul, a man who I have the highest respect and admiration for .

Through thick and thin from the days of Oakeshott this place has been my internet home .

I wish to thank all of you for your generous sharing of information over the years .
Most of all I cannot even begin to express my gratitude to Dr. Lee Jones for making this place possible .

S.Al-Anizi · 5th June 2006, 01:16 AM

Nice insight Jim, very good post, as usual. As you found the dealers to be story tellers extraordinaire, Im going through this stage now, and expanding my personal library and increasing my visual information in my field of interest, for me to learn continuously, and hopefully someday, end that with a publication, and get even with other people who continuously bugged me, looked down upon me, and even called me an "ass" on another website.

ariel · 5th June 2006, 01:44 AM

Saqr,
Glad to see you in your new reincarnation!
You DID pull our collective leg!

As for being called an "ass", in the academic world, the only way to stop being Ass Professor is when the promote you to Fool Professor

BTW, how many people here have not reach the voting age? Or, even more frightening, how many of the sword owners are still not allowed to drive a car?

I feel very, very old....
Be good, buddy!

Pangeran Datu · 5th June 2006, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

As for being called an "ass", in the academic world, the only way to stop being Ass Professor is when the promote you to Fool Professor

Hear hear!
One thing I've learnt through my journey in life... is that one is never too old to learn! That often means asking questions or expressing opinions which, to some, appear simple/ stupid. But that is part of the learning curve. One should not be discouraged by detractors.I am reminded of one definition of 'expert': ex... has-been. spurt.... drip under pressure

). A lot of real experts decline the tag. One great sage even went so far as to say: if on one's journey through life, one meets a person who calls oneself 'buddha'... quickly kill him.

Regards.

Andrew · 5th June 2006, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

hehehe... I really do not know what to say, I have no credibility anymore, as I am a pathological liar because of this 4 year long lie.

I wish to retain my former persona, "mark", in the minds of the board members, and resume to share my limited knowledge in my field, and continue helping with translations from arabic, but with a new name, my real name and character, Saqr, pronounced "Saggir". I wish you would delete my older account, and that I would re-start with this one.

Thanks for all the help Rick

Bravo, Saqr! I started posting here under the psuedonym "chacon" and later changed to my given name.

I'll see if the forum software will allow me to merge your posts and personas in some fashion as simply deleting your "M.Carter" identity will delet all prior posts, I believe.

Jim McDougall · 4th June 2006, 11:58 PM

This has been an especially interesting thread, and it is rewarding to see the responses of members who have lurked

and particularly those very young members. I had no idea of the youth of some of you guys, you all sound a great deal older in your mature manner of speaking and expressing yourselves. I am very impressed and as Wolviex wisely noted, you are indeed our future in our quest to further research on antique and historical ethnographic edged weapons.

The questions asked here perpetuate the research that is essential for us all to learn. By sharing data and newly acquired weapons we all gain from the knowledge acquired. It is like a monumental building project in which we all work together placing bricks, steel, mortar and constantly do so in concert with each other. Everyone has thier own areas of interest and expertise and specialize in matters accordingly. We have the dha guys, the keris krowd and lots of us that are sort of jacks of all trades.

I remember as a young guy collecting my first few weapons (one of my first was a Moro keris seen in a garage...I helped the guy sand down a Model A frame to get it!). I was so desperate to learn, but there were no forums, no wise old collectors to learn from, very few books around, and the few antique dealers were, uh, story tellers extraordinaire! What b.s.!!

I decided to start buying books from various mail order places, and building my own library to learn myself. Over the years, I bought every book I could find, even on topics that I never imagined would apply to my collecting, but found regulation military patterns were actually findable. Along with my rusty old keris, there were a number of assorted bayonets, mostly 50 cent items found in barrels at war surplus stores.
As years went by, and my library grew, out of probably sheer audacity, I started writing to various authors with my questions, thinking they would probably never write back. I was shocked! Many of these icons of early arms literature actually did write back! and over the years I became at least on friendly terms with these gracious gentlemen. Thier grace and patience in answering the questions of an empassioned young collector earned my deepest respect, and remains firmly emplaced in my regard toward authors.

By this same token, speaking to the younger members of our forum, who are clearly much more well versed and well informed than I was at that age, I wanted to tell you how much your presence here is valued, and I encourage you to not only ask the questions, but further the research. I deparately wanted to learn, and would have given anything to have a medium such as these forums. Now that I have reached the age that I am and gratefully learned a great deal, I find that I am still learning, and ironically much of it is generated by you young guys and the comments you make and the questions you ask!!
Regarding the note by Zifir concerning focus on collecting as opposed to historical discussion, they are both deeply connected, and the emphasis on one typicaly leads to the other. A weapon is acquired and the historical data is reviewed as we try to discover more on its origins, use and possible provenance.

For those 'lurkers', I suspect by your mere presence here that you have a great deal more knowledge already than you may realize on the subjects we discuss. We need your help as well ,as the questions you ask draw from that knowledge which you inately possess and often generate facts which may not be known or available to many of us.

Thanks everybody for enduring my 'trip down memory lane'

and most of all for making this forum what it is, a sanctuary for learning among friends,
All best wishes,
Jim

4th June 2006, 10:01 PM	#1
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Hello, Ive known vikingsword for a long time, and Ive just joined, I already posted a few times, but I must say, Im very familiar with this forum, its moderators, and its members. HINT: im the guy right above...

4th June 2006, 10:23 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I have a question for the young man formerly known as Mark Carter . Do you have a first part of your name that you would like us to call you as we did your former persona Mark ? A warm (re) welcome to the forum . Rick

5th June 2006, 01:16 AM	#5
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Nice insight Jim, very good post, as usual. As you found the dealers to be story tellers extraordinaire, Im going through this stage now, and expanding my personal library and increasing my visual information in my field of interest, for me to learn continuously, and hopefully someday, end that with a publication, and get even with other people who continuously bugged me, looked down upon me, and even called me an "ass" on another website.

5th June 2006, 01:44 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Saqr, Glad to see you in your new reincarnation! You DID pull our collective leg! As for being called an "ass", in the academic world, the only way to stop being Ass Professor is when the promote you to Fool Professor BTW, how many people here have not reach the voting age? Or, even more frightening, how many of the sword owners are still not allowed to drive a car? I feel very, very old.... Be good, buddy!

4th June 2006, 11:58 PM	#9
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,194	This has been an especially interesting thread, and it is rewarding to see the responses of members who have lurked and particularly those very young members. I had no idea of the youth of some of you guys, you all sound a great deal older in your mature manner of speaking and expressing yourselves. I am very impressed and as Wolviex wisely noted, you are indeed our future in our quest to further research on antique and historical ethnographic edged weapons. The questions asked here perpetuate the research that is essential for us all to learn. By sharing data and newly acquired weapons we all gain from the knowledge acquired. It is like a monumental building project in which we all work together placing bricks, steel, mortar and constantly do so in concert with each other. Everyone has thier own areas of interest and expertise and specialize in matters accordingly. We have the dha guys, the keris krowd and lots of us that are sort of jacks of all trades. I remember as a young guy collecting my first few weapons (one of my first was a Moro keris seen in a garage...I helped the guy sand down a Model A frame to get it!). I was so desperate to learn, but there were no forums, no wise old collectors to learn from, very few books around, and the few antique dealers were, uh, story tellers extraordinaire! What b.s.!! I decided to start buying books from various mail order places, and building my own library to learn myself. Over the years, I bought every book I could find, even on topics that I never imagined would apply to my collecting, but found regulation military patterns were actually findable. Along with my rusty old keris, there were a number of assorted bayonets, mostly 50 cent items found in barrels at war surplus stores. As years went by, and my library grew, out of probably sheer audacity, I started writing to various authors with my questions, thinking they would probably never write back. I was shocked! Many of these icons of early arms literature actually did write back! and over the years I became at least on friendly terms with these gracious gentlemen. Thier grace and patience in answering the questions of an empassioned young collector earned my deepest respect, and remains firmly emplaced in my regard toward authors. By this same token, speaking to the younger members of our forum, who are clearly much more well versed and well informed than I was at that age, I wanted to tell you how much your presence here is valued, and I encourage you to not only ask the questions, but further the research. I deparately wanted to learn, and would have given anything to have a medium such as these forums. Now that I have reached the age that I am and gratefully learned a great deal, I find that I am still learning, and ironically much of it is generated by you young guys and the comments you make and the questions you ask!! Regarding the note by Zifir concerning focus on collecting as opposed to historical discussion, they are both deeply connected, and the emphasis on one typicaly leads to the other. A weapon is acquired and the historical data is reviewed as we try to discover more on its origins, use and possible provenance. For those 'lurkers', I suspect by your mere presence here that you have a great deal more knowledge already than you may realize on the subjects we discuss. We need your help as well ,as the questions you ask draw from that knowledge which you inately possess and often generate facts which may not be known or available to many of us. Thanks everybody for enduring my 'trip down memory lane' and most of all for making this forum what it is, a sanctuary for learning among friends, All best wishes, Jim