Copper Dagger - from where?

Sajen · 11th September 2021, 10:59 AM

Hello Jose,
Another vote for Philippines and Luzon.

The one from Rick is from Batangas I guess, see this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=copper

Regards,
Detlef

ausjulius · 11th September 2021, 03:18 PM

those nonferrous bladed knives are a cultural thing among malayian cultures though out south east asia.. its for "fighting spirits" ive seen people in the 21st century carrying small brass, copper or sliver kris around rolled up in their sarongs to protect from bad magic . ect

Bob A · 11th September 2021, 05:11 PM

I've noticed that people in North America wear articles of clothing impregnated with copper wire, and copper bracelets, to rid themselves of pain demons in their joints, or to ward off same.

Apparently the groups involved are more primitive than the bulk of the population, as they can only obtain these articles by watching late-night broadcast TV.

Ren Ren · 11th September 2021, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob A

I've noticed that people in North America wear articles of clothing impregnated with copper wire, and copper bracelets, to rid themselves of pain demons in their joints, or to ward off same.

Apparently the groups involved are more primitive than the bulk of the population, as they can only obtain these articles by watching late-night broadcast TV.

Hi Bob! It is for this reason that I do not want to dive into details

Battara · 11th September 2021, 11:58 PM

Thank you folks. I'll land on Luzon, but musty admit that I haven't seen a copper knife like this from the Philippines, or any PI knife like this.

However, I agree with the copper being used to dispel evil spirits.

I got this hoping that it might still be Filipino, but knowing the risk it might not. Now to figure out the meaning of "FDM"..........

Bob A · 12th September 2021, 01:54 AM

The blade profile is similar to the Applegate-Fairbairn fighting knife developed in WWII, though the hilt is different.

If I had to choose between American, European and Philippine origin, I'd strongly favor Philippines.

Africa is a known source for copper weapons, but they seldom if ever emulate Western military blades.

Sajen · 12th September 2021, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Thank you folks. I'll land on Luzon, but musty admit that I haven't seen a copper knife like this from the Philippines, or any PI knife like this.

Hello Jose,
Remember the great copper and brass dagger collection from Robert.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 12th September 2021, 04:08 PM

And here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=copper you can find a lot of information about non ferric daggers from the Philippines.

Battara · 13th September 2021, 04:33 AM

Thank you Detlef for the links. What threw me for a loop was the hilt: 1. how it was scored, 2. how the cross guard is made in the form of an "X" (though one could argue that it fits Philippine thinking), 3. how the mounts were made, 4. how badly beaten up the blade was. None of the examples I have seen (even on our site) matched this. However, I am aware that the Philippines, places in Indonesia, and Malaysia used copper blades for chasing away evil spirits. So again I took the chance that this is indeed a Filipino blade.

Almost nothing is documented on these except what Robert was fortunate to acquire.

ausjulius · 17th September 2021, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Thank you folks. I'll land on Luzon, but musty admit that I haven't seen a copper knife like this from the Philippines, or any PI knife like this.

However, I agree with the copper being used to dispel evil spirits.

I got this hoping that it might still be Filipino, but knowing the risk it might not. Now to figure out the meaning of "FDM"..........

i have several small brass, nickle and silver bolos, kampilan and kris from the phillipines.. from several different regions.. some of the ones from sulu have arabic inscriptions on them to ward of evil sprits.. its definatly a thing.. ive met people in the 21st century in indonesia carrying such little "magic" knvies around in their sarongs.... they sure have declined in popularity and maybe even vanished in amny malayian peopls societies in the 20th century.. but they were probably once universal..

Battara · 22nd September 2021, 01:56 AM

In this thread Bangkaya states that copper and brass were used to fight aswang spirits.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...309#post266309

More of the mystery solved.

11th September 2021, 10:59 AM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Jose, Another vote for Philippines and Luzon. The one from Rick is from Batangas I guess, see this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=copper Regards, Detlef Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 11th September 2021 at 11:10 AM. Reason: add pictures

11th September 2021, 03:18 PM	#2
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 439	those nonferrous bladed knives are a cultural thing among malayian cultures though out south east asia.. its for "fighting spirits" ive seen people in the 21st century carrying small brass, copper or sliver kris around rolled up in their sarongs to protect from bad magic . ect

11th September 2021, 05:11 PM	#3
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 435	I've noticed that people in North America wear articles of clothing impregnated with copper wire, and copper bracelets, to rid themselves of pain demons in their joints, or to ward off same. Apparently the groups involved are more primitive than the bulk of the population, as they can only obtain these articles by watching late-night broadcast TV.

11th September 2021, 11:58 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Thank you folks. I'll land on Luzon, but musty admit that I haven't seen a copper knife like this from the Philippines, or any PI knife like this. However, I agree with the copper being used to dispel evil spirits. I got this hoping that it might still be Filipino, but knowing the risk it might not. Now to figure out the meaning of "FDM"..........

12th September 2021, 01:54 AM	#6
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 435	The blade profile is similar to the Applegate-Fairbairn fighting knife developed in WWII, though the hilt is different. If I had to choose between American, European and Philippine origin, I'd strongly favor Philippines. Africa is a known source for copper weapons, but they seldom if ever emulate Western military blades.

12th September 2021, 04:08 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	And here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=copper you can find a lot of information about non ferric daggers from the Philippines.

13th September 2021, 04:33 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Thank you Detlef for the links. What threw me for a loop was the hilt: 1. how it was scored, 2. how the cross guard is made in the form of an "X" (though one could argue that it fits Philippine thinking), 3. how the mounts were made, 4. how badly beaten up the blade was. None of the examples I have seen (even on our site) matched this. However, I am aware that the Philippines, places in Indonesia, and Malaysia used copper blades for chasing away evil spirits. So again I took the chance that this is indeed a Filipino blade. Almost nothing is documented on these except what Robert was fortunate to acquire.

22nd September 2021, 01:56 AM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	In this thread Bangkaya states that copper and brass were used to fight aswang spirits. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...309#post266309 More of the mystery solved.