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Old 11th August 2021, 02:18 PM   #1
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Central Vietnam, presumably Darlak plateau
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Old 27th September 2021, 03:02 PM   #2
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Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail
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Old 27th September 2021, 04:31 PM   #3
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Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail

...and a nice small buckler!


Excellent photo!
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Old 27th September 2021, 05:27 PM   #4
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Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail
There are many problems with this photo:

1- the so called "four mirrors" armour over the mail which wasn't used by khevsur as far as we are aware

2- the saber Eastern georgian not khevsur

3-the the man is georgian but not not khevsur, he is a collector from from the soviet era here is an article about him:
https://museum.ge/index.php?lang_id=...&info_id=15740

Never the less it is a nice photo and shows some nice original weapons, but not a proper representation of khevsurs
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Old 28th September 2021, 02:49 AM   #5
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There is one staged photo after another, in the one above there are multiple ethnic inconsistencies, the two pics of Ossetian men on this page seem to be wearing the same kindjal.
And there is even one picture from Odisha ( Orissa), but.... no khanjarli.

Studio photographs were heavily staged, and their validity as reflecting reality is severely compromised.
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Old 29th September 2021, 01:39 AM   #6
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dat_man,

Thanks for your information about that "fake" photo.


Ariel,

These photos are what they are. I think we are all aware of some of the limitations of studio portraits. It's good to be reminded from time to time. Let's move on ...
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the man is georgian but not not khevsur, he is a collector from from the soviet era here is an article about him:
https://museum.ge/index.php?lang_id=...&info_id=15740
very interesting, thanks for the article
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Old 20th October 2021, 06:23 PM   #8
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Probably Annam.
It's a shame that the background is retouched.
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Old 20th October 2021, 07:47 PM   #9
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Does look photoshopped. The guy on the right doesn't seem too happy about it either. Interesting swords, rather large...


Cool photo tho. 👍
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Old 20th October 2021, 08:29 PM   #10
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In Vietnamese they are called trường gươm 長劔, which means "long sword" or "long saber". By the time photography appeared, it was already an exclusively ceremonial weapon. In temples and shrines, it was often kept in the form of wooden models covered with multi-colored varnish.
Oval wicker shields are even more interesting and rare in my opinion.

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What year was this photo of the two with long sabers?
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Old 15th October 2023, 10:56 PM   #12
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What year was this photo of the two with long sabers?
I think this photo was taken between 1880-1920. It will be possible to say more precisely if you are lucky enough to find the original image.
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