Just purchased the attached old flintlock conversion

kahnjar1 · 16th June 2021, 09:32 AM

Hi Ken,
The leather reminds me more of Africa somewhere rather than European East. Stud work is quite common on North African guns and it would make sense to have some way of carrying over the shoulder. Perhaps more detail of those larger plates on the stock might help when you receive the piece.
Stu

David R · 16th June 2021, 02:04 PM

African trade guns are generally made in Europe, and so have pretty standard European stocks.

This is closer to Turkish-Iranian-Afghan styles. One giveaway is the ramrod housed in the wood of the stock, rather than in an exterior slot with tubes.

Kubur · 16th June 2021, 05:08 PM

Ok I will try this one
I think the leather strap and the feathers are just recent additions.
Personally I will bin them.
Your butt (your rifle) looks like a boyliya. I will say Ottoman gun from the Balkans, exported and refurbished in North Africa.

David R · 16th June 2021, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Ok I will try this one
I think the leather strap and the feathers are just recent additions.
Personally I will bin them.
Your butt (your rifle) looks like a boyliya. I will say Ottoman gun from the Balkans, exported and refurbished in North Africa.

Agreed. Probably a fairly late one but it fits with what we see here.

rickystl · 18th June 2021, 08:42 PM

Hi Ken

Interesting gun. This is a tough one to I.D. Hmmm.

It appears to have been assembled utilizing a surplus musket barrel and lock in the most economical manner possible. It's obvious the lock was originally flintlock and converted to percussion using a simple drum and nipple method.
But I think the lock was already in conversion state before this gun was assembled. Possible the barrel also. It does appear to be a good example of an amateur gunsmith's work.
Some additional photos would be good after you receive it. Thanks for posting.

Rick

16th June 2021, 02:04 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,131	African trade guns are generally made in Europe, and so have pretty standard European stocks. This is closer to Turkish-Iranian-Afghan styles. One giveaway is the ramrod housed in the wood of the stock, rather than in an exterior slot with tubes. Attached Images

16th June 2021, 09:32 AM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,810	Hi Ken, The leather reminds me more of Africa somewhere rather than European East. Stud work is quite common on North African guns and it would make sense to have some way of carrying over the shoulder. Perhaps more detail of those larger plates on the stock might help when you receive the piece. Stu

16th June 2021, 05:08 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Ok I will try this one I think the leather strap and the feathers are just recent additions. Personally I will bin them. Your butt (your rifle) looks like a boyliya. I will say Ottoman gun from the Balkans, exported and refurbished in North Africa.

18th June 2021, 08:42 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Ken Interesting gun. This is a tough one to I.D. Hmmm. It appears to have been assembled utilizing a surplus musket barrel and lock in the most economical manner possible. It's obvious the lock was originally flintlock and converted to percussion using a simple drum and nipple method. But I think the lock was already in conversion state before this gun was assembled. Possible the barrel also. It does appear to be a good example of an amateur gunsmith's work. Some additional photos would be good after you receive it. Thanks for posting. Rick