Interesting cutlass on ebay

Tim Simmons · 1st June 2006, 06:48 AM

Wth a protective hand over my crest I am going 80% late 19th early 20th creation, to me it has an air of fantasy about it. The cleaver is wavering

Valjhun · 2nd June 2006, 09:10 AM

Many Thanks to all of you.

I realised that buying it for that price it would be a mistake.

Great post SenSei, you're the funniest master around

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from Tyrol and Styria , to Venice, to Croatia

And what is the exact middle of the thoose countries, prijatelj?

I've also thought that it was from here at the first look... Rehilted kilij blade speaks in its favour. There were a lot such ottoman weapons, rehilted and reused in that part of world. But the guard DOES look strange. That shell is verry odd. It is not from here, thats for sure. Lately added? The rest of the guard it looks strange also. Compare it to a schiavona chestguard and you'll notice the main difference in the construction, it is made from different pieces put together. There is cleary one single piece modelled in such manner. The round pommel is also not typical and it looks more archaic in style that should be.

I would guess that it is a strange weapon, but at least 17th century, with later aditions. Not worth buying, no personal hell (well I actually woke up the first night after the end of the auction

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ingelred · 2nd June 2006, 10:11 AM

Hello,

when I first saw this sword my impression was "German Dusack/Dusaegge/Dusagge", mid to late 16th century.
After all these doubtfully posts I took a look into my literature and found several swords with similarities to this one.
Concerning the shell guard in Gerald Weland 's "Blankwaffen - Ein internationales Brevier", Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgard, Germany, 1994, on pages 62/63 there are to Dusack type of swords having shell guards.
Moreover both of these swords seem to have a yelman point and fullers going to the guard.
Even more similarities can be seen to the two swords shown in Heribert Seitz 's "Blankwaffen I", Klinkhardt & Biermann GmbH Muenchen, 1981, on page 363 in pictures 269 and 270. Not only have these swords sabre typ blades and shell guards but also there are similarities to the pommel and the guard of the sword depicted in picture 269.
Than in Heinrich Mueller / Hartmut Koelling 's "Eurpaeische Hieb- und Stichwaffen", Militaerverlag der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik, GDR, 1986, on page 204 in pictue 126 I found a sword with a shell guard.
All these swords are dated mid 16th century and their origin is said to be Germany.
After all, this does not mean that this sword is genuine. Especially because in the late 19th century we had a time called "Historismus" where al lot of fake 13th to 17th century swords were made for decoration only.
Some of these fakes were so good that even museums were fooled by them.

Best regards, helge

1st June 2006, 06:48 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Wth a protective hand over my crest I am going 80% late 19th early 20th creation, to me it has an air of fantasy about it. The cleaver is wavering Last edited by Tim Simmons; 1st June 2006 at 07:25 AM.

2nd June 2006, 10:11 AM	#3
ingelred Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moenchengladbach, Germany Posts: 62	Hello, when I first saw this sword my impression was "German Dusack/Dusaegge/Dusagge", mid to late 16th century. After all these doubtfully posts I took a look into my literature and found several swords with similarities to this one. Concerning the shell guard in Gerald Weland 's "Blankwaffen - Ein internationales Brevier", Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgard, Germany, 1994, on pages 62/63 there are to Dusack type of swords having shell guards. Moreover both of these swords seem to have a yelman point and fullers going to the guard. Even more similarities can be seen to the two swords shown in Heribert Seitz 's "Blankwaffen I", Klinkhardt & Biermann GmbH Muenchen, 1981, on page 363 in pictures 269 and 270. Not only have these swords sabre typ blades and shell guards but also there are similarities to the pommel and the guard of the sword depicted in picture 269. Than in Heinrich Mueller / Hartmut Koelling 's "Eurpaeische Hieb- und Stichwaffen", Militaerverlag der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik, GDR, 1986, on page 204 in pictue 126 I found a sword with a shell guard. All these swords are dated mid 16th century and their origin is said to be Germany. After all, this does not mean that this sword is genuine. Especially because in the late 19th century we had a time called "Historismus" where al lot of fake 13th to 17th century swords were made for decoration only. Some of these fakes were so good that even museums were fooled by them. Best regards, helge