Sumatran sword

Dajak · 28th May 2006, 07:40 AM

The blade form is like an mandau the straight one that I have has even an krowit like the Jimpul

BluErf · 28th May 2006, 08:22 AM

Hi Dajak,

Thanks. However, I thought though the blade may a bit like a mandau, but there are quite a number of klewang form in Sumatra which also looks like this. Hence, when I first looked at it, I thought it was N. Sumatran. The hilt convinced me otherwise.

I was informed of a closed ebay auction (by a fellow forumnite - Derreck) for a parang nabur. Hope Derreck does not mind me attaching the picture for discussion purpose.

I noticed that the D-guard in the picture is attached to a white brass nail that seemed to be hammered into the pommel. My parang nabur's hilt had no traces of such a nail insertion. Is it that not all D-guards for parang nabur ends up being nailed to the pommel?

Dajak · 28th May 2006, 02:13 PM

NO not al see pic there are much types but to me it looks like the handle is not the original it maybe a replace handle

Alam Shah · 28th May 2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajak

... but to me it looks like the handle is not the original it maybe a replace handle

Hmmm...maybe that explained why there's no hole for the horn hilt's D-shaped guard. Probably the guard had been cut before the hilt replacement. Hence, no reason to put a hole there...(just speculating)

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Hey Shahrial, don't worry about it. Our 2 cents do not devalue; they contribute to better understanding.

No sweat... 2 cents investment is maturing...

I do agree that the blade might be salvaged from another sword type.

BluErf · 28th May 2006, 04:52 PM

I have a question - How do we tell that the hilt is not original? If it was a replacement, why not replace with the D-guard as well?

The overall feel is that the white brass fittings on the scabbard is matching with the white brass on the hilt. The sheath was made for the blade and fits perfectly.

Dajak · 28th May 2006, 06:08 PM

wooden handle easy to replace the metal part not because it is normally one piece diffucult to get it together

the wooden handle as I can see from the pic no sign off use

As you can see when it is in the scabbard there is a piece missing cutting off is the easy way

Look at these handle s all have sign off use

rasdan · 28th May 2006, 06:27 PM

Hi all,

I think the D guard was probably connected with the nail at the end of the hilt. Btw, is it a nail? I think the "nail" is actually the end of the blade tang that is screwed to make sure the hilt dont slip off. If the hilt ist new, maybe the last owner only made a hilt for it and suit the old brass part for it. Probably..

BluErf · 29th May 2006, 05:54 PM

Thank you all for sharing information and opinion on this unusual P. Nabur.

I guess it is so atypical that it raises many questions that we can only speculate about, and I think that adds to the mystery and fun. The lost D-guard (or was there ever a D-guard when this piece was put together? Did a previous owner saw off the guard to suit his silat style? Or maybe the owner simply hated the D-guard and quillon?

) is part of the history of this piece.

At the end of all these, I've grown to appreciate the uniqueness of this piece even more. Add to that the beautiful blade, horn hilt and complete scabbard, this piece is going to stay with me for a long time.

I am going to keep it as it is because I think it will make a very interesting conversation piece.

28th May 2006, 08:22 AM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hi Dajak, Thanks. However, I thought though the blade may a bit like a mandau, but there are quite a number of klewang form in Sumatra which also looks like this. Hence, when I first looked at it, I thought it was N. Sumatran. The hilt convinced me otherwise. I was informed of a closed ebay auction (by a fellow forumnite - Derreck) for a parang nabur. Hope Derreck does not mind me attaching the picture for discussion purpose. I noticed that the D-guard in the picture is attached to a white brass nail that seemed to be hammered into the pommel. My parang nabur's hilt had no traces of such a nail insertion. Is it that not all D-guards for parang nabur ends up being nailed to the pommel? Attached Images

28th May 2006, 02:13 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	NO not al see pic there are much types but to me it looks like the handle is not the original it maybe a replace handle Attached Images

28th May 2006, 06:08 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	wooden handle easy to replace the metal part not because it is normally one piece diffucult to get it together the wooden handle as I can see from the pic no sign off use As you can see when it is in the scabbard there is a piece missing cutting off is the easy way Look at these handle s all have sign off use Attached Images

28th May 2006, 07:40 AM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	The blade form is like an mandau the straight one that I have has even an krowit like the Jimpul

28th May 2006, 04:52 PM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I have a question - How do we tell that the hilt is not original? If it was a replacement, why not replace with the D-guard as well? The overall feel is that the white brass fittings on the scabbard is matching with the white brass on the hilt. The sheath was made for the blade and fits perfectly.

28th May 2006, 06:27 PM	#7
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Hi all, I think the D guard was probably connected with the nail at the end of the hilt. Btw, is it a nail? I think the "nail" is actually the end of the blade tang that is screwed to make sure the hilt dont slip off. If the hilt ist new, maybe the last owner only made a hilt for it and suit the old brass part for it. Probably..

29th May 2006, 05:54 PM	#8
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Thank you all for sharing information and opinion on this unusual P. Nabur. I guess it is so atypical that it raises many questions that we can only speculate about, and I think that adds to the mystery and fun. The lost D-guard (or was there ever a D-guard when this piece was put together? Did a previous owner saw off the guard to suit his silat style? Or maybe the owner simply hated the D-guard and quillon? ) is part of the history of this piece. At the end of all these, I've grown to appreciate the uniqueness of this piece even more. Add to that the beautiful blade, horn hilt and complete scabbard, this piece is going to stay with me for a long time. I am going to keep it as it is because I think it will make a very interesting conversation piece.