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Battara · 26th May 2006, 08:52 PM

I would place it as Qajar period, Persia.

fernando · 26th May 2006, 09:14 PM

Thank you so much, Battara.
Would you say 19th century?

Battara · 26th May 2006, 09:17 PM

Yes, that is when I believe the Qajar revival occured.

fernando · 26th May 2006, 11:39 PM

Thanks again

fernando · 7th June 2006, 07:47 PM

After Battara's observation, i did some web search under his appointed area and eventually found out the etching on the blade is an inscription in Farsi, entangled with a Snake.
I have just received it, and now i need further kind help.
Two vital questions remain unclear to me:
Would it be a Cavalry ( Persian Lancers ) or an Infantry pattern? It measures 45 cms. ( 18" ), blade and socket + - equivalent.
The other problem is i don't get to know the material of its inexistant haft, as i allways strugle to imagine an entire weapon's aspect. I have read that it could either be cane or wood, in the period context, but i can't judge for myself. I wonder if the type of socket is decisive for such conclusion. This one has a narrow entry ( 20 m/ms= 3/4" ) and a much pronounced tapering ... to 10 m/m= 5/16" at the end. This would require a spicky sharpened haft tip; maybe cane, at least hollow cane, would crack ... But above all and, for my layman's surprise, there isn't any hole in the socket for the haft fixation ! How come ? Were sometimes Spear hafts "glued" or "swallen" inside sockets ? would that be enough ?
Could any of the Forum Members give some lightning in these subjects?
Thanks a lot in advance.

ariel · 7th June 2006, 11:43 PM

I would guess that any fixation short of socketing would be too weak to allow this lance to be used for any hard contact purpose. Therefore... decorative?

Rick · 8th June 2006, 12:11 AM

I could agree with Ariel's assesment of this piece ; possibly not due to the reasons he has given but to this detail which strikes me as fairly lightweight for combat use .

8th June 2006, 12:11 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I could agree with Ariel's assesment of this piece ; possibly not due to the reasons he has given but to this detail which strikes me as fairly lightweight for combat use . Attached Images

26th May 2006, 08:52 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I would place it as Qajar period, Persia.

26th May 2006, 09:14 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you so much, Battara. Would you say 19th century?

26th May 2006, 09:17 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Yes, that is when I believe the Qajar revival occured.

26th May 2006, 11:39 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks again

7th June 2006, 07:47 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	After Battara's observation, i did some web search under his appointed area and eventually found out the etching on the blade is an inscription in Farsi, entangled with a Snake. I have just received it, and now i need further kind help. Two vital questions remain unclear to me: Would it be a Cavalry ( Persian Lancers ) or an Infantry pattern? It measures 45 cms. ( 18" ), blade and socket + - equivalent. The other problem is i don't get to know the material of its inexistant haft, as i allways strugle to imagine an entire weapon's aspect. I have read that it could either be cane or wood, in the period context, but i can't judge for myself. I wonder if the type of socket is decisive for such conclusion. This one has a narrow entry ( 20 m/ms= 3/4" ) and a much pronounced tapering ... to 10 m/m= 5/16" at the end. This would require a spicky sharpened haft tip; maybe cane, at least hollow cane, would crack ... But above all and, for my layman's surprise, there isn't any hole in the socket for the haft fixation ! How come ? Were sometimes Spear hafts "glued" or "swallen" inside sockets ? would that be enough ? Could any of the Forum Members give some lightning in these subjects? Thanks a lot in advance.

7th June 2006, 11:43 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I would guess that any fixation short of socketing would be too weak to allow this lance to be used for any hard contact purpose. Therefore... decorative?