Any ideas on the origin?

Andrew · 26th May 2006, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

i don't understand, andrew. i believe the morningstar is right. what kino has is indeed a sundang. tho, i must admit, i never seen one like it before

Hi Ron. To me, it's getting a bit old because it states the obvious, and we've seen this response time and again recently. Of course it's a sundang. I suspect Kino, and anyone who reads this forum, already knows that.

I also suspect Kino was looking for more specific information, if available.

VVV · 26th May 2006, 05:33 PM

Great sword and a very interesting hilt.
Unfortunately all the Filipinos I meet favours the new Ginuntings and Talibongs to the older ones so I don't know much about Visayan swords.
But maybe these two swords can be of some help?
One of them has a floral hilt and the other one has a resembling ferrule as well as similarities on the scabbard.
I assume, as Ian stated, that those kind of scabbards are the older version.
Is your "Sundang" also smaller in size than the more common versions?
Your hilt reminds me slightly of a Makara.
The reason for Makara is that I think it looks like it has an elephant's trunk?

Michael

PS In case you ever get tired of it, please send me a mail...

MABAGANI · 26th May 2006, 07:19 PM

round and round we go
judging or moderating
a bolo it is

spung see what you did
haiku this and haiku that
sundang aint enough

lolz

Battara · 26th May 2006, 08:50 PM

I agree with Ian and Zel. My first thought for this PI sharp pointy thing (specific enough?

) was Visayan, especially the floral carving on the scabbard.

Block carving is pre-1900, eh? Interesting.....

Andrew · 27th May 2006, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MABAGANI

round and round we go
judging or moderating
a bolo it is

spung see what you did
haiku this and haiku that
sundang aint enough

lolz

lol. Touche! I'll play...

sharing is done here
the moderating burden
we carry for you

pushing and pulling
secrets kept best are quiet
hoping friends would stop

MABAGANI · 27th May 2006, 02:11 AM

peeling the layers
ask an oldtimer the truth
lotus or onion

I remember before i left the gathering I mentioned that as we go deeper into research the knowledge starts going over peoples head.
So i would not argue with an old man who knows how to use one that its not a bolo or sundang...lolz

Andrew · 27th May 2006, 04:50 AM

the quest for knowlege
to be encouraged and fed
teaching not taunting

Believe me, it's really quite easy to go over my head with this stuff. I read entire threads here without really understanding what you guys are talking about. Perhaps I'm picking up a thing or two and expanding my knowlege. Maybe someday, I'll understand. Until then, I'll continue to ask questions. Hopefully, the old men will indulge me and deign to answer a few now and then.

Do you really think I was arguing over what is or isn't a sundang? I'm saddened.

MABAGANI · 27th May 2006, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Do you really think I was arguing over what is or isn't a sundang? I'm saddened.

You misunderstand
I speak of generations
knowledge forgotten

I write in general, each generation, region, etc. will call it bolo, sundang, tenegre, pinuti, etc...none are wrong, so a full description might include all, sort of like the zonneveld book. After handling the collections on the weekend, i understand a few of the visayan swords a little more but much remains a puzzle.

26th May 2006, 05:33 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Great sword and a very interesting hilt. Unfortunately all the Filipinos I meet favours the new Ginuntings and Talibongs to the older ones so I don't know much about Visayan swords. But maybe these two swords can be of some help? One of them has a floral hilt and the other one has a resembling ferrule as well as similarities on the scabbard. I assume, as Ian stated, that those kind of scabbards are the older version. Is your "Sundang" also smaller in size than the more common versions? Your hilt reminds me slightly of a Makara. The reason for Makara is that I think it looks like it has an elephant's trunk? Michael PS In case you ever get tired of it, please send me a mail... Attached Images

26th May 2006, 07:19 PM	#3
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	round and round we go judging or moderating a bolo it is spung see what you did haiku this and haiku that sundang aint enough lolz

26th May 2006, 08:50 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I agree with Ian and Zel. My first thought for this PI sharp pointy thing (specific enough? ) was Visayan, especially the floral carving on the scabbard. Block carving is pre-1900, eh? Interesting.....

27th May 2006, 02:11 AM	#6
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	peeling the layers ask an oldtimer the truth lotus or onion I remember before i left the gathering I mentioned that as we go deeper into research the knowledge starts going over peoples head. So i would not argue with an old man who knows how to use one that its not a bolo or sundang...lolz

27th May 2006, 04:50 AM	#7
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	the quest for knowlege to be encouraged and fed teaching not taunting Believe me, it's really quite easy to go over my head with this stuff. I read entire threads here without really understanding what you guys are talking about. Perhaps I'm picking up a thing or two and expanding my knowlege. Maybe someday, I'll understand. Until then, I'll continue to ask questions. Hopefully, the old men will indulge me and deign to answer a few now and then. Do you really think I was arguing over what is or isn't a sundang? I'm saddened.