Any ideas on the origin?

zelbone · 26th May 2006, 04:28 AM

yes and yes

Ian · 26th May 2006, 05:10 AM

Kino:

We need to see this sword out of the sheath.

The scabbard looks Visayan to me, similar to the style of scabbard found on the deity hilted swords from Panay -- an older style with the wooden block suspension system (I believe Zel has said this style dates to pre-1900). The carving on the scabbard, with its repeated four leaf flower design, is similar to that seen on scabbards of knives and swords coming from the Eastern Visayas (Samar, Leyte) but I'm not sure if it is a common motif in the Western Visayas. The carved hilt is a form that I have not seen previously (appears to be a flower form, or perhaps a variant of naga). The octagonal ferrule and handle are consistent with a Panay/Negros (Western Visayas) origin. The irregularly shaped disk guard (is it horn or wood?) also suggests Western Visayas.

When we see the blade I would expect it to have the usual chisel-ground edge seen on most Visayan swords and knives.

Ian.

zelbone · 26th May 2006, 06:07 AM

Yes, Kino, you do see similar scabbards in that photo

No need to see your blade.

themorningstar · 26th May 2006, 07:02 AM

and.... survey says.... "it's a sundang!!!"

Andrew · 26th May 2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by themorningstar

and.... survey says.... "it's a sundang!!!"

This one's getting a bit old, don't you think themorningstar?

Spunjer · 26th May 2006, 03:44 PM

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This one's getting a bit old, don't you think themorningstar?

i don't understand, andrew. i believe the morningstar is right. what kino has is indeed a sundang. tho, i must admit, i never seen one like it before

Andrew · 26th May 2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

i don't understand, andrew. i believe the morningstar is right. what kino has is indeed a sundang. tho, i must admit, i never seen one like it before

Hi Ron. To me, it's getting a bit old because it states the obvious, and we've seen this response time and again recently. Of course it's a sundang. I suspect Kino, and anyone who reads this forum, already knows that.

I also suspect Kino was looking for more specific information, if available.

nechesh · 26th May 2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by themorningstar

and.... survey says.... "it's a sundang!!!"

Well T, it's not even a matter of whether or not it's getting old as Andrew suggests (must admit it made me chuckle a bit

), but it just doesn't address the question at hand.... ORIGIN.

Andrew · 26th May 2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zelbone

yes and yes

Why the cryptic responses, Zel? If you've got information you don't wish to share at this time, why post at all?

26th May 2006, 04:28 AM	#1
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	yes and yes

26th May 2006, 05:10 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,396	Kino: We need to see this sword out of the sheath. The scabbard looks Visayan to me, similar to the style of scabbard found on the deity hilted swords from Panay -- an older style with the wooden block suspension system (I believe Zel has said this style dates to pre-1900). The carving on the scabbard, with its repeated four leaf flower design, is similar to that seen on scabbards of knives and swords coming from the Eastern Visayas (Samar, Leyte) but I'm not sure if it is a common motif in the Western Visayas. The carved hilt is a form that I have not seen previously (appears to be a flower form, or perhaps a variant of naga). The octagonal ferrule and handle are consistent with a Panay/Negros (Western Visayas) origin. The irregularly shaped disk guard (is it horn or wood?) also suggests Western Visayas. When we see the blade I would expect it to have the usual chisel-ground edge seen on most Visayan swords and knives. Ian.

26th May 2006, 06:07 AM	#3
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Yes, Kino, you do see similar scabbards in that photo No need to see your blade.

26th May 2006, 07:02 AM	#4
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	and.... survey says.... "it's a sundang!!!"