Kukuri with tulwar handle and Koftgari blade

Kmaddock · 28th January 2021, 07:28 AM

Thanks David,

Yes I think it is a nice piece too, I am told it came out of a very old high end collection. The item I swapped for it held no interest or value to me so basically it was free, which is always nice.

Hopefully someone will give some clues as to what is written on the blade
Regards,
Ken

kwiatek · 28th January 2021, 07:02 PM

This is a couplet in Urdu from a Marsiya (a Shi’ite elegiac poem on the martyrs of Karbala) by the famous Urdu poet Mirza Salaamat Ali Dabir

شمشیر بکف دیکھ کے حیدر کے پسر کو
جبریل لرزتے ہیں سمیٹے ہوئے پر کو

“When he saw the son of Hyder armored with sword.
Gabriel shivered pulling together his wings”

Here is a bit about his life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Salaamat_Ali_Dabeer

This would mean that it is no earlier than 19th-century and might suggest it is from Lucknow or the Awadh region

kronckew · 28th January 2021, 07:33 PM

Cool Sosun Patta. (And NOT a Khukuri - it doesn't have a Cho/Kaudi notch in the edge near the grip.)

Kmaddock · 28th January 2021, 08:11 PM

شمشیر بکف دیکھ کے حیدر کے پسر کو
جبریل لرزتے ہیں سمیٹے ہوئے پر کو

“When he saw the son of Hyder armored with sword.
Gabriel shivered pulling together his wings”

Kwiatek thank you so so much for the translation and the link, I will read properly in while.

I am indebted to you.

I will try and get the title of the thread changed to reflect on what the item was, Kronckew it looks like I had the wrong end of India in my initial identification.

The scabbard is v plain but the blade reveals all.

I don't think I should clean it and leave the old warrior as is

Keep well and looks like a good start to 2021 collecting!

Ken

28th January 2021, 07:02 PM	#2
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	This is a couplet in Urdu from a Marsiya (a Shi’ite elegiac poem on the martyrs of Karbala) by the famous Urdu poet Mirza Salaamat Ali Dabir شمشیر بکف دیکھ کے حیدر کے پسر کو جبریل لرزتے ہیں سمیٹے ہوئے پر کو “When he saw the son of Hyder armored with sword. Gabriel shivered pulling together his wings” Here is a bit about his life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Salaamat_Ali_Dabeer This would mean that it is no earlier than 19th-century and might suggest it is from Lucknow or the Awadh region Last edited by kwiatek; 28th January 2021 at 07:28 PM.

28th January 2021, 07:28 AM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Thanks David, Yes I think it is a nice piece too, I am told it came out of a very old high end collection. The item I swapped for it held no interest or value to me so basically it was free, which is always nice. Hopefully someone will give some clues as to what is written on the blade Regards, Ken

28th January 2021, 07:33 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	Cool Sosun Patta. (And NOT a Khukuri - it doesn't have a Cho/Kaudi notch in the edge near the grip.)

28th January 2021, 08:11 PM	#4
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	شمشیر بکف دیکھ کے حیدر کے پسر کو جبریل لرزتے ہیں سمیٹے ہوئے پر کو “When he saw the son of Hyder armored with sword. Gabriel shivered pulling together his wings” Kwiatek thank you so so much for the translation and the link, I will read properly in while. I am indebted to you. I will try and get the title of the thread changed to reflect on what the item was, Kronckew it looks like I had the wrong end of India in my initial identification. The scabbard is v plain but the blade reveals all. I don't think I should clean it and leave the old warrior as is Keep well and looks like a good start to 2021 collecting! Ken