Kujang for comments

Gonzoadler · 21st January 2021, 07:39 PM

Thanks for your comments.
The reference of this holes to pregnancy months was also a little questionable to me. I don't understand what that should mean exactly. Maybe they were just a decoration element in the past and all cultural or religious interpretations are new or fantasy.

A. G. Maisey · 21st January 2021, 08:44 PM

In fact if anything is believed by sufficient people, it is true, and even if it is believed by only one person, for that person, it is true.

Belief is a powerful force.

Amuk Murugul · 22nd January 2021, 06:49 AM

Hullo everybody!

I'm sorry to say I can't trump that.

Best,

A. G. Maisey · 22nd January 2021, 09:40 AM

Truth is only momentary.

See:- Samuel Arbesman

Mickey the Finn · 22nd January 2021, 12:46 PM

There are some who believe that a simple majority [no matter how ill-informed, misinformed, disinformed, wilfully blind, hopelessly benighted, or flat-out wrong that simple majority may be] shall rule [make decisions governing the whole group and/or "lord it over" the minority]. There are some who have resorted to force of arms to propagate this belief and/or system of governance among those who are differently minded.

On a different note: I've seen a few kujang kamerdikaan in "generally similar" dress. Some of the renditions I've seen and others which I own are not quite in the same league as the one shown in the original post.

Sajen · 23rd January 2021, 12:36 PM

For comparison an old one I've bought some time ago.

Gonzoadler · 23rd January 2021, 01:03 PM

The handle looks like from a javanese Keris.
But the Kujang is javanese, so it makes sense.
My new Kujang has no big similarities to a Keris.

Sajen · 24th January 2021, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey the Finn

On a different note: I've seen a few kujang kamerdikaan in "generally similar" dress. Some of the renditions I've seen and others which I own are not quite in the same league as the one shown in the original post.

In this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=kujang is shown one in an old/antique dress. I have handled this piece personally, it was sold to Paolo from Wolfgang Spielmann.

David · 25th January 2021, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

In this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=kujang is shown one in an old/antique dress. I have handled this piece personally, it was sold to Paolo from Wolfgang Spielmann.

hmmm....what leads you to believe this dress is antique? While it shows some age i would not have thought this to be pre-WWII, though certainly the blade is.

23rd January 2021, 12:36 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	For comparison an old one I've bought some time ago. Attached Images

21st January 2021, 07:39 PM	#1
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 273	Thanks for your comments. The reference of this holes to pregnancy months was also a little questionable to me. I don't understand what that should mean exactly. Maybe they were just a decoration element in the past and all cultural or religious interpretations are new or fantasy.

21st January 2021, 08:44 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	In fact if anything is believed by sufficient people, it is true, and even if it is believed by only one person, for that person, it is true. Belief is a powerful force.

22nd January 2021, 06:49 AM	#3
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 474	Hullo everybody! I'm sorry to say I can't trump that. Best,

22nd January 2021, 09:40 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Truth is only momentary. See:- Samuel Arbesman

22nd January 2021, 12:46 PM	#5
Mickey the Finn Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 90	There are some who believe that a simple majority [no matter how ill-informed, misinformed, disinformed, wilfully blind, hopelessly benighted, or flat-out wrong that simple majority may be] shall rule [make decisions governing the whole group and/or "lord it over" the minority]. There are some who have resorted to force of arms to propagate this belief and/or system of governance among those who are differently minded. On a different note: I've seen a few kujang kamerdikaan in "generally similar" dress. Some of the renditions I've seen and others which I own are not quite in the same league as the one shown in the original post.

23rd January 2021, 01:03 PM	#7
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 273	The handle looks like from a javanese Keris. But the Kujang is javanese, so it makes sense. My new Kujang has no big similarities to a Keris.