What Constitutes a Kraton Keris?

Alam Shah · 22nd May 2006, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pangeran Datu

so, would you classify Tameng Sari as Royal Pusaka? After all... it only belonged to Hang Tuah

Hello Pangeran Datu,
Taming Sari did belonged to Hang Tuah, Admiral of the Malaccan Sultanate. The keris still exists today and is part of the regalia of Sultan Azlan Shah, the Sultan of Perak, Malaysia.
http://www.perak.gov.my/sultan/english/keris_taming.htm

What do you think?

Btw, the question is about Kraton keris (Javanese), not about Malay Sultanate keris. Let's go back to the main question, "What Constitute a Kraton Keris?" shall we?

Pangeran Datu · 22nd May 2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hello Pangeran Datu,
Taming Sari did belonged to Hang Tuah, Admiral of the Malaccan Sultanate. The keris still exists today and is part of the regalia of Sultan Azlan Shah, the Sultan of Perak, Malaysia.
http://www.perak.gov.my/sultan/english/keris_taming.htm

What do you think?

Btw, the question is about Kraton keris (Javanese), not about Malay Sultanate keris. Let's go back to the main question, "What Constitute a Kraton Keris?" shall we?

Hello Alam Shah,
Do you mean Javanese palaces in general, or just the palaces of Yogya and Solo?( BTW, Yogya and Solo are both Sultanates too). I am aware of differences in keris protocols among palaces (even between Yogya and Solo), although I am unaware of any standard for their classification. Someone will no doubt enlighten me/us.

BTW,WRT Tameng Sari... The version of the legend I know:
Tameng Sari was the name of the owner of the keris, whom Hang Tuah defeated while on a visit to Java. The keris was subsequently presented to him by the king of Majapait.

Regards

Alam Shah · 22nd May 2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pangeran Datu

Hello Alam Shah,
Do you mean Javanese palaces in general, or just the palaces of Yogya and Solo?( BTW, Yogya and Solo are both Sultanates too).

Whichever you like or can comment about.

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Originally Posted by Pangeran Datu

I am aware of differences in keris protocols among palaces (even between Yogya and Solo), although I am unaware of any standard for their classification. Someone will no doubt enlighten me/us.

Let me clarify, when I mentioned classification, I'm refering to category for us to tell apart.

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Originally Posted by Pangeran Datu

BTW,WRT Tameng Sari... The version of the legend I know: Tameng Sari was the name of the owner of the keris, whom Hang Tuah defeated while on a visit to Java. The keris was subsequently presented to him by the king of Majapait.

Let's not talk about Taming Sari legends. There are many unconfirmed variation of the legend. Lets based on facts, shall we?

BluErf · 23rd May 2006, 03:38 PM

The book that I've read is simply entitled "Keraton Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat", or something like that. I don't have the book with me now. It was published in Indonesia, in English. Those of you staying in or near Singapore can head to the National Library near Bugis Street, S.E.A. studies reference section. Sorry, you can't borrow it, so you'll have to read it there.

I think everyone has brought up valid points for consideration. We don't have to agree with each other, but we should recognize the differences in interpretation of what a "kraton keris" could mean.

So what this could mean to us collectors is that when we purchase a keris described as such, dig further and find out what the seller meant, and make a judgement for yourself whether it is believable or not.

At any rate, like I (and some other collectors) always say - buy the keris, not the story, and no matter if it's a new keris or old keris, always buy quality kerises.

And please don't stop discussing here!

Rick · 23rd May 2006, 05:46 PM

" Buy the keris, not the story, and no matter if it's a new keris or old keris, always buy quality kerises. "

Well said !
Better one quality keris than a dozen inferior pieces .
Quality over quantity every time .

23rd May 2006, 05:46 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	One Great Truth " Buy the keris, not the story, and no matter if it's a new keris or old keris, always buy quality kerises. " Well said ! Better one quality keris than a dozen inferior pieces . Quality over quantity every time .

23rd May 2006, 03:38 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	The book that I've read is simply entitled "Keraton Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat", or something like that. I don't have the book with me now. It was published in Indonesia, in English. Those of you staying in or near Singapore can head to the National Library near Bugis Street, S.E.A. studies reference section. Sorry, you can't borrow it, so you'll have to read it there. I think everyone has brought up valid points for consideration. We don't have to agree with each other, but we should recognize the differences in interpretation of what a "kraton keris" could mean. So what this could mean to us collectors is that when we purchase a keris described as such, dig further and find out what the seller meant, and make a judgement for yourself whether it is believable or not. At any rate, like I (and some other collectors) always say - buy the keris, not the story, and no matter if it's a new keris or old keris, always buy quality kerises. And please don't stop discussing here!