Keris Bugis Raja Gundala

Pangeran Datu · 20th May 2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lei Shen Dao

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WRT your keris:
Yes, I can see that you can call it a Raja Gundala - Ikan Belanak Makan Makane.
A Raja Gundala usually occurs as a dwiwarna, the other being e.g. Beas Utah, Pulo Tirta.
Try to see whether the Raja Gundala is Tiban or carved/etched, the former being more prized by connoiseurs for its divine qualities.

Regards.

Lei Shen Dao · 21st May 2006, 01:23 AM

Dear Pangeran

Thank you very much for your contribution.
It is pamor Tiban from what I know, but I don't have a clue about the dapur and the tanguh. I know it isn't easy to say from some pictures.

Anyway, thank you for your help.

BluErf · 21st May 2006, 06:05 AM

Oh, that's a real good likeness!!

I've always enjoyed looking for rojo gondolo on kerises with pamor tiban.

I've got a few:

Sleeping bear:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Moustachioed man with gaping mouth:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Screaming face reminiscent of the mask from "I know what you did last summer", I think:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

And I have a "fetus" rojo gondolo in a "womb" (actually, a qul buntet):

Alam Shah · 21st May 2006, 10:46 AM

Tengkurizan @ Kampungnet have a number of these pamor Raja Gundala, (some with illustrations).

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

This pamor tiban with illustrations...to make it clearer.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Another interesting piece pamor tiban piece with outline.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Sepokal, I hope you don't mind.

nechesh · 21st May 2006, 02:41 PM

This is fun! Though i wonder just how far one can stretch the imagination and still refer to the pamor as tiban.
Thanks for the outline work Shahrial, but i think i would actually rather see these without to be able to judge better for myself just how obvious the pattern is. That last one you link to is particularly cool. I realize it isn't your keris, but do you have any idea is the blade is really rosy pink at the base as it appears, or is that just a trick of the light?

Alam Shah · 21st May 2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

This is fun! Though i wonder just how far one can stretch the imagination and still refer to the pamor as tiban.
Thanks for the outline work Shahrial, but i think i would actually rather see these without to be able to judge better for myself just how obvious the pattern is. That last one you link to is particularly cool. I realize it isn't your keris, but do you have any idea is the blade is really rosy pink at the base as it appears, or is that just a trick of the light?

You're mistaken...the outline work were done by Tengkurizan himself. I merely provided the link. All are Tengkurizan's pieces. It's the lights, alright.

Tiban literally means unplanned. What you're seeing is supposedly pamor Raja Gundala, afaik. Just to clarify.

nechesh · 21st May 2006, 03:05 PM

Ah.... then perhaps Tengkurizan might be able to provide a undoctored photo (or maybe there already is one in the full grouping of the photos of this keris).
I am aware of the meaning of Tiban, but thanks for the clarification.....and it's too bad that pink is only a trick of the light, or it would really be an interesting find.

21st May 2006, 06:05 AM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh, that's a real good likeness!! I've always enjoyed looking for rojo gondolo on kerises with pamor tiban. I've got a few: Sleeping bear: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Moustachioed man with gaping mouth: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Screaming face reminiscent of the mask from "I know what you did last summer", I think: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php And I have a "fetus" rojo gondolo in a "womb" (actually, a qul buntet): Attached Images

21st May 2006, 10:46 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Raja Gundala... Tengkurizan @ Kampungnet have a number of these pamor Raja Gundala, (some with illustrations). http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php This pamor tiban with illustrations...to make it clearer. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Another interesting piece pamor tiban piece with outline. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Sepokal, I hope you don't mind.

21st May 2006, 01:23 AM	#2
Lei Shen Dao Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 43	Dear Pangeran Thank you very much for your contribution. It is pamor Tiban from what I know, but I don't have a clue about the dapur and the tanguh. I know it isn't easy to say from some pictures. Anyway, thank you for your help.

21st May 2006, 02:41 PM	#5
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	This is fun! Though i wonder just how far one can stretch the imagination and still refer to the pamor as tiban. Thanks for the outline work Shahrial, but i think i would actually rather see these without to be able to judge better for myself just how obvious the pattern is. That last one you link to is particularly cool. I realize it isn't your keris, but do you have any idea is the blade is really rosy pink at the base as it appears, or is that just a trick of the light?

21st May 2006, 03:05 PM	#7
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Ah.... then perhaps Tengkurizan might be able to provide a undoctored photo (or maybe there already is one in the full grouping of the photos of this keris). I am aware of the meaning of Tiban, but thanks for the clarification.....and it's too bad that pink is only a trick of the light, or it would really be an interesting find.