Keris Bugis Raja Gundala

Lei Shen Dao · 18th May 2006, 02:47 AM

Hi Rick

You are by far a lot more "expert" than me at least.

Yes, I can understand your point and of course this is the case many times with the "pamor reading

".

But, if you see in the first picture you will see the image of a fish chasing a smaller one to eat it. The name of the fish is Belanak (a wild fish in Indonesia I was told...).
In the second picture in the base is a form that remindes the head of a fish (like an epinephelous) with it's mouth slightly open. Above the head of the fish and in the left side, is seems that there is the form of a man (head, two legs) if you see it from a diagonal view. If you see the blade form close distance, it is more obvious.

The interesting thing is that the name of the pamor from the seller was Belanak Makan Makani (named after the form of the Belanak), something that I have never encounder before.

In any case though, you are correct. Fantasy can play many games to a wissfull mind

Thanks for your post.

Lei Shen Dao · 18th May 2006, 02:48 AM

By the way, what is "Pepperidge Farm Goldfish cracker"

Lei Shen Dao · 20th May 2006, 01:21 AM

Guys
Thank you very much for trying to help me.

You are very helpfull

Ian · 10th August 2006, 04:11 AM

This active thread belongs with the new keris forum, so over it goes.

Ian.

David · 10th August 2006, 04:38 AM

Thanks Ian and welcome Zack.

Well, i think the thing about Pamor Raja Gundala is that it is somewhat up to YOUR imagination, unless it is something undisputably obvious. This looks like a standing figure to me and the head looks somewhat skull-like. What do you see?

Pangeran Datu · 20th May 2006, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lei Shen Dao

By the way, what is "Pepperidge Farm Goldfish cracker"

An American icon, the GOLDFISH cracker. Pepperidge Farm has produced its small goldfish-shaped cheddar cheese cracker since 1962.

WRT your keris:
Yes, I can see that you can call it a Raja Gundala - Ikan Belanak Makan Makane.
A Raja Gundala usually occurs as a dwiwarna, the other being e.g. Beas Utah, Pulo Tirta.
Try to see whether the Raja Gundala is Tiban or carved/etched, the former being more prized by connoiseurs for its divine qualities.

Regards.

Lei Shen Dao · 21st May 2006, 01:23 AM

Dear Pangeran

Thank you very much for your contribution.
It is pamor Tiban from what I know, but I don't have a clue about the dapur and the tanguh. I know it isn't easy to say from some pictures.

Anyway, thank you for your help.

BluErf · 21st May 2006, 06:05 AM

Oh, that's a real good likeness!!

I've always enjoyed looking for rojo gondolo on kerises with pamor tiban.

I've got a few:

Sleeping bear:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Moustachioed man with gaping mouth:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Screaming face reminiscent of the mask from "I know what you did last summer", I think:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

And I have a "fetus" rojo gondolo in a "womb" (actually, a qul buntet):

Alam Shah · 21st May 2006, 10:46 AM

Tengkurizan @ Kampungnet have a number of these pamor Raja Gundala, (some with illustrations).

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

This pamor tiban with illustrations...to make it clearer.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Another interesting piece pamor tiban piece with outline.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Sepokal, I hope you don't mind.

nechesh · 21st May 2006, 02:41 PM

This is fun! Though i wonder just how far one can stretch the imagination and still refer to the pamor as tiban.
Thanks for the outline work Shahrial, but i think i would actually rather see these without to be able to judge better for myself just how obvious the pattern is. That last one you link to is particularly cool. I realize it isn't your keris, but do you have any idea is the blade is really rosy pink at the base as it appears, or is that just a trick of the light?

10th August 2006, 04:11 AM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,396	Transferring to new Keris Forum This active thread belongs with the new keris forum, so over it goes. Ian.

21st May 2006, 06:05 AM	#8
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh, that's a real good likeness!! I've always enjoyed looking for rojo gondolo on kerises with pamor tiban. I've got a few: Sleeping bear: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Moustachioed man with gaping mouth: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Screaming face reminiscent of the mask from "I know what you did last summer", I think: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php And I have a "fetus" rojo gondolo in a "womb" (actually, a qul buntet): Attached Images

21st May 2006, 10:46 AM	#9
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Raja Gundala... Tengkurizan @ Kampungnet have a number of these pamor Raja Gundala, (some with illustrations). http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php This pamor tiban with illustrations...to make it clearer. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Another interesting piece pamor tiban piece with outline. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Sepokal, I hope you don't mind.

18th May 2006, 02:47 AM	#1
Lei Shen Dao Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 43	Hi Rick You are by far a lot more "expert" than me at least. Yes, I can understand your point and of course this is the case many times with the "pamor reading ". But, if you see in the first picture you will see the image of a fish chasing a smaller one to eat it. The name of the fish is Belanak (a wild fish in Indonesia I was told...). In the second picture in the base is a form that remindes the head of a fish (like an epinephelous) with it's mouth slightly open. Above the head of the fish and in the left side, is seems that there is the form of a man (head, two legs) if you see it from a diagonal view. If you see the blade form close distance, it is more obvious. The interesting thing is that the name of the pamor from the seller was Belanak Makan Makani (named after the form of the Belanak), something that I have never encounder before. In any case though, you are correct. Fantasy can play many games to a wissfull mind Thanks for your post.

18th May 2006, 02:48 AM	#2
Lei Shen Dao Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 43	By the way, what is "Pepperidge Farm Goldfish cracker"

20th May 2006, 01:21 AM	#3
Lei Shen Dao Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 43	Guys Thank you very much for trying to help me. You are very helpfull

10th August 2006, 04:38 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Thanks Ian and welcome Zack. Well, i think the thing about Pamor Raja Gundala is that it is somewhat up to YOUR imagination, unless it is something undisputably obvious. This looks like a standing figure to me and the head looks somewhat skull-like. What do you see?

21st May 2006, 01:23 AM	#7
Lei Shen Dao Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 43	Dear Pangeran Thank you very much for your contribution. It is pamor Tiban from what I know, but I don't have a clue about the dapur and the tanguh. I know it isn't easy to say from some pictures. Anyway, thank you for your help.

21st May 2006, 02:41 PM	#10
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	This is fun! Though i wonder just how far one can stretch the imagination and still refer to the pamor as tiban. Thanks for the outline work Shahrial, but i think i would actually rather see these without to be able to judge better for myself just how obvious the pattern is. That last one you link to is particularly cool. I realize it isn't your keris, but do you have any idea is the blade is really rosy pink at the base as it appears, or is that just a trick of the light?