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14th August 2020, 09:39 PM
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Norman, THANK YOU!!! I had forgotten that magnificent example!!!!
 The guard with symmetric trefoil quillon terminals in in accord with the fleuret /fluer di lis examples often seen, and on the one you show in this 2017 thread illustrate the conventions seen in many Masonic style hilts. I got to my references: "The American Fraternal Sword" , 2008, John D. Hamilton; Joseph Marino and James Kaplan. "Material Culture of American Freemasons" John D. Hamiliton, 1994 On p.12 (2008) , "...the variety of swords encountered in American lodges in the late 19th c. range from military sabers and cutlasses to Saracen scimitars. As various sword patterns were adopted and superceded by the military, the discards became readily available to many lodges that welcomed an 'implement of war' for tiling." The Tyler of the lodge was charged with guarding the meetings from intruders or eavesdroppers, mostly of course in a symbolic manner. The sword held by him, unsheathed (many originally were flamberge or wavy blades) were inspired by the flaming sword guarding the 'Gates of Paradise' in the Bible. Many swords were gifted to the lodges by war veterans . In the 1840s, the US began adopting French sword patterns in developing thier own regulation patterns, and it is not surprising that an assortment of French swords became available in America from various circumstances, European immigration not withstanding. This skull and crossbones hilt sword I had researched many years ago is another example of Masonic symbolism in hilts and mounted here also with a French cuirassier blade (the klingenthal inspector marks visible on the blade). |
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15th August 2020, 11:29 AM
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Midelburgo, will you later contemplate us with larger pictures of your interesting sword ?
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15th August 2020, 04:47 PM
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There is a maker stamp on the brass hilt, that possibly says Ibarzabal, who also cast the hilts for troop swords until the 1830s, when a brass workshop was established at Toledo. The inscription etched on the back of the blade shall tell year and maker. I do not think it is a French An XI or XIII, the ricasso is different from what I have seen, including 1816 or 1854 models. Actually resembles Prussian... I have not found anything resembling inspector marks. It could be a Spanish 1815 model. Toledo also made etchings on the back between 1815 and c1825. Last edited by midelburgo; 15th August 2020 at 05:11 PM. |
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15th August 2020, 05:17 PM
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Thank you for adding details on markings, always helpful. |
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24th August 2020, 06:31 PM
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The sword arrived.
On the spine it is written in cursive: Real Fabrica de Toledo. Aņo de 1818 On the brass hilt J.VALVANERA. No other markings. Thus the blade comes from a Spanish cavalry trooper sword model 1815. Not a common one. Good surface condition but blunt point and edges. Awful balance some 19cm from the cross. The grip I think it is ivory not bone. Last edited by midelburgo; 24th August 2020 at 07:43 PM. |
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24th August 2020, 06:39 PM
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24th August 2020, 07:06 PM
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 I will use a different way... xxxx No improvements. Maybe after changing light source and some cleaning. Last edited by midelburgo; 24th August 2020 at 09:29 PM. |
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