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			Some examples of the genre to start the discussion.  Line drawings show the gamut of hilt styles, from Ewart Oakeshott's European Weapons and Armour, fig 54.  The simpler Group I  guards are earlier, first third of the 16th cent.    Photoplate is of 3 German bastard swords, 16th cent., in the Tower of London Armouries ( A. R. Duffy, European Swords and Daggers in the Tower of London, plate 13 ).
		 
		
		
		
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