Nuremberg Chronicle; depictions of edged weapons from the late 15th Century

[shayde78]

Originally Posted by fernando

Could you tell who are those two personalities in the center of the last depiction, in the end of post #19 ? .

I believe it is Fredrick III, Holy Roman Emperor (Romischer Kaiser) who died in August 1493, and his wife, Elanor of Portugal (however, she would have been deceased for a number of years before this image was made, but I don't believe Fredrick remarried so it may have been convention to continue to represent the royal couple this way).

I'm including additional images showing the entire page and the facing page to see if there are more clues there. The caption above the picture does indicate the figure on the right is Fredrich. It names (i believe) Pope Pius II on the left, but I assume that refers to the individual behind the throne with the pointy hat (miter?)

[fernando]

Thank you Rob.
I take it however that Eneas (Pope Pio II) is the central figure, the one next to the King. I guess the crown (tiara) he wears is a papal exclusive, rather than the bishop miter the person in the back is wearing. Notwithstanding he is holding a patriarchal cross; in this case the subject of my interest ... i confess.
I wonder what is the episode (if in real life) the author depicting. I have tried to translate that four lines 'verse' ... but without success.


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[shayde78]

Originally Posted by fernando

Thank you Rob.
I take it however that Eneas (Pope Pio II) is the central figure, the one next to the King. I guess the crown (tiara) he wears is a papal exclusive, rather than the bishop miter the person in the back is wearing. Notwithstanding he is holding a patriarchal cross; in this case the subject of my interest ... i confess.
I wonder what is the episode (if in real life) the author depicting. I have tried to translate that four lines 'verse' ... but without success.
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I think it is the wedding of Eleanor and Fredrick. I found a picture by Pinturicchio (c. 1505) that depicts the same scene. Note the headpiece of Pope Pius.

A very rough initial translation of the stanza below the image (someone else please help!):
Spare the lion king
that reigns in pure humility
And, also ....
the violent is fraught with violence.


Edit - since this is popping up at the top of a new page, I just want to clearly indicate the below image is NOT part of the Chronicle. It is being posted to cross reference representations within the Chronicle.
The below image is painted by Pinturicchio within 10-15 years of the publication of the Chronicle (so, early 16th century)

[fernando]

Originally Posted by shayde78

I think it is the wedding of Eleanor and Fredrick. I found a picture by Pinturicchio (c. 1505) that depicts the same scene. Note the headpiece of Pope Pius. ...

Because when Frederico and Leonor married (1452) Eneas was still a cardinal; he was only entronized in 1458, right ?

Originally Posted by shayde78

... A very rough initial translation of the stanza below the image (someone else please help!):
Spare the lion king
that reigns in pure humility
And, also ....
the violent is fraught with violence

Great, thanks. I could go as far as the 'humility' and 'violence' terms .

[shayde78]

[QUOTE=fernando]Because when Frederico and Leonor married (1452) Eneas was still a cardinal; he was only entronized in 1458, right ?

Good call - he was not yet Pope when they were married. Here is the caption from Wikipedia for the Pinturicchio painting:
"Eneias Silvio Piccolomini (the future Pope Pius II) celebrating the marriage between Frederick III and Eleanor."