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24th June 2020, 09:26 AM
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....Afghan, and Caucasian, Turkish, Greek, Cretan... |
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24th June 2020, 09:54 AM
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Whatever it is, I like it!
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24th June 2020, 11:23 AM
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No, not cloven.
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24th June 2020, 11:55 AM
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A bit like this one then......
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24th June 2020, 12:38 PM
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A bit... But this one is what Lebedynsky called a " pseudo-shashka" from one of the Central Asian Khanates.
At the beginning of this thread I have casually mentioned Elgood's Greece book as a source of attribution. Memory failed me: I went through that book and could not find it, although I distinctly remember the image. I went through several books and could not find an attribution to Algiers. Gavin also supported the Algerean origin. Gavin, can you provide a reference, please? Meanwhile, the closest thing I could find is the very same book by Lebedynsky ( " Les Armes Orientales", p. 68). Both are guardless ( just like mine) and just as short ( compared to the handles) and are labeled as Ottoman, mixes of Pala blade with yataghan mounts (E) and Pala blade with Caucasian shashka mounts (F). Both scabbards are distinctly different, with suspension rings, whereas mine was carried tucked under the belt ( Khyber-like). |
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24th June 2020, 01:00 PM
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An interesting and important twist to the story was provided by Aleksej Kurochkin ( here participating as Mercenary). He unearthed an old ( 1757) Persian manuscript describing battles of Nader Shah with the Afghanis.
Here are couple of illustrations: some fighters carry typical Persian Shamshirs with hand guards, but some carry clearly guardless sabers. I cannot be certain whether the latter belonged to both sides or only to one of them. I may only cautiously assume that to both, based on head covers: helmets vs. white turbans. |
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24th June 2020, 02:31 PM
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From another post Ariel.
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This is the thread to lead down rabbit warrens... Ex Hales, seen on page 218, similar seen on page 228 but none exactly of the ilk as yours... http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=judicial Last edited by Gavin Nugent; 24th June 2020 at 02:44 PM. |
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