Tumbuk lada with Malayan rhino horn handle?

Sajen · 6th June 2020, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

The same goes for example with the Rencong that quite often has a blade absolutely identical to that of a Sewar, but distinguishes by its long, strongly curved hilt.

Here you can see the difference between a recong blade (the three examples in up) and a sewar blade (the three in down).
There are examples which could be tricky but still can get identified by it's blades, see for example here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sewar

Regards,
Detlef

mariusgmioc · 6th June 2020, 08:26 PM

Hello Detlef,

It would be very difficult to make photos good enough so one can see the rhino horn structure as I do not have a good camera.

Will give it a try as soon as it will be a sunny day. This weekend is pretty dark and rainy.

PS: Yeah, most rencongs have pretty distinctive blade. Most tumbuk-lada also have a distinctive blade.
Most but not all...

I had a couple of rencong that had exactly sewar blades.

PPS: Have you examined the second one from the bottom in your photo at high magnification?

Sajen · 7th June 2020, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

PPS: Have you examined the second one from the bottom in your photo at high magnification?

Yes, I have, it's not rhino horn!

mariusgmioc · 7th June 2020, 11:17 AM

More light this morning sa here are more photos where the hair structure can be seen.

Sajen · 7th June 2020, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

More light this morning sa here are more photos where the hair structure can be seen.

Sorry Marius, exactly what I thought, it's not rhino! Look to the above given thread about my Thai enep, you will see there the same structure. It's old weathered water buffalo horn, not rhino.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 7th June 2020, 11:35 AM

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kai · 7th June 2020, 12:36 PM

Yup, as I said in post #20 and Detlef in #29, this fibrous look is very common.

And it hardly ever is rhino. While there are additional indicators which can lend a hint if you're willing to gamble, one really needs to look at the end-grain (as in post #8) to ascertain any identification.

This is an old fad which still gets purported by dealers to increase sales...

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 7th June 2020, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

PS: Yeah, most rencongs have pretty distinctive blade. Most tumbuk-lada also have a distinctive blade.
Most but not all...

I had a couple of rencong that had exactly sewar blades.

Would like to see them when possible!

Regards,
Detlef

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mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,913	Hello Detlef, It would be very difficult to make photos good enough so one can see the rhino horn structure as I do not have a good camera. Will give it a try as soon as it will be a sunny day. This weekend is pretty dark and rainy. PS: Yeah, most rencongs have pretty distinctive blade. Most tumbuk-lada also have a distinctive blade. Most but not all... I had a couple of rencong that had exactly sewar blades. PPS: Have you examined the second one from the bottom in your photo at high magnification? Last edited by mariusgmioc; 6th June 2020 at 08:44 PM.

7th June 2020, 12:36 PM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Yup, as I said in post #20 and Detlef in #29, this fibrous look is very common. And it hardly ever is rhino. While there are additional indicators which can lend a hint if you're willing to gamble, one really needs to look at the end-grain (as in post #8) to ascertain any identification. This is an old fad which still gets purported by dealers to increase sales... Regards, Kai