European saber blade - request for ID

Martin Lubojacky · 27th April 2020, 08:26 AM

Three additional pictures

corrado26 · 27th April 2020, 08:58 AM

This is the coat of arms of the kingdom of Sardinia-Piemont until 1861. The blade has certainly been made at Solingen.

Martin Lubojacky · 27th April 2020, 10:07 AM

Thank you Corrado26.
What do you think about the approximate age of the blade ? Half of 19th century ?

kronckew · 27th April 2020, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Lubojacky

Thank you Corrado26.
What do you think about the approximate age of the blade ? Half of 19th century ?

I'd suspect 1st half, if not a tad earlier. Nappy threw a spanner in the works of Europe and especially Italy from the very late 18th till about 1815 when they got Piedmont back & started taking over the rest of Italy, becoming the Kingdom of Italy in 1861, thus the earlier name became obsolete. Blade was probably surplus by then & sold or given to the Ethiopians.

M ELEY · 27th April 2020, 03:51 PM

The knuckle bow is 'reverse P' pattern, so post 1800. Judging from the pattern comparison to others of the type, perhaps 1830's-50's?? Very nice piece!

kronckew · 27th April 2020, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

The knuckle bow is 'reverse P' pattern, so post 1800. Judging from the pattern comparison to others of the type, perhaps 1830's-50's?? Very nice piece!

The grip of course may be newer than the blade....I'd go with post 1815, pre 1850 tho.

M ELEY · 27th April 2020, 09:14 PM

Good point, Wayne. Indeed, the blade could definitely be older. I had jumped into the thread without realizing we were specifically discussing the origins of the blade. Sorry! In any case, it is always fascinating to me to see pieces where reuse of older materials are included (Spanish colonial, Rev War pieces, Am Confederate pieces, maritime, etc). Some collectors shy away from so called ersatz pieces and its a shame. The good news for collectors that appreciate the multiple histories involved is that they can swoop in and acquire such items sometimes on the cheap.

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Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 843	Three additional pictures Attached Images

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corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	This is the coat of arms of the kingdom of Sardinia-Piemont until 1861. The blade has certainly been made at Solingen. Attached Images

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M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,165	Good point, Wayne. Indeed, the blade could definitely be older. I had jumped into the thread without realizing we were specifically discussing the origins of the blade. Sorry! In any case, it is always fascinating to me to see pieces where reuse of older materials are included (Spanish colonial, Rev War pieces, Am Confederate pieces, maritime, etc). Some collectors shy away from so called ersatz pieces and its a shame. The good news for collectors that appreciate the multiple histories involved is that they can swoop in and acquire such items sometimes on the cheap. Last edited by M ELEY; 27th April 2020 at 09:30 PM.

27th April 2020, 10:07 AM	#3
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 843	Thank you Corrado26. What do you think about the approximate age of the blade ? Half of 19th century ?

27th April 2020, 03:51 PM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,165	The knuckle bow is 'reverse P' pattern, so post 1800. Judging from the pattern comparison to others of the type, perhaps 1830's-50's?? Very nice piece!