North African dagger for identification

Sajen · 29th March 2020, 02:17 PM

Can I assume that this is as well a Khodmi from Iflissen similar to the one the thread started?

Last picture show it together with a Bou saidi.

Thank you in advance,
Detlef

Ian · 29th March 2020, 02:56 PM

Detlef,

The blade reminds me very much of a 19th C. Italian "vendetta dagger." Perhaps a copy of an Italian blade in Magrib fittings.

Ian.

Sajen · 29th March 2020, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

The blade reminds me very much of a 19th C. Italian "vendetta dagger." Perhaps a copy of an Italian blade in Magrib fittings.

Hi Ian,
Yes, the style is very similar like Kronckew mentioned in up already. But the blade engraving look very crude for a European blade.

Regards,
Detlef

Ian · 29th March 2020, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

... But the blade engraving look very crude for a European blade.

Yes, and the fullers are not quite right also. I think it is a locally made imitation of an Italian dagger. Ian

kronckew · 29th March 2020, 04:01 PM

The khodmi almost universally have the wire wrapping on the grip, unlike the 'vendetta style ones. They may be Bou Saadi made tho. the spines on khodmi often have a tiny step and notch on the spine at the tip. On some this is worn newer ones seen not to have them. Some khodmi with wood/horn gips have been sold in Europe as 'Medieval eating knives'

Sajen · 29th March 2020, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

The khodmi almost universally have the wire wrapping on the grip, unlike the 'vendetta style ones. They may be Bou Saadi made tho. the spines on khodmi often have a tiny step and notch on the spine at the tip. On some this is worn newer ones seen not to have them. Some khodmi with wood/horn gips have been sold in Europe as 'Medieval eating knives'

I think that is valid for the Bou Saadi daggers but not for Khodmi when I understand Kubur correct (post #3).

Regards,
Detlef

Kubur · 29th March 2020, 04:32 PM

Hi

You have a North African pseudo pesh kabz.

More seriously it's more a Moroccan janwi or genoui than a khodmi...

The grip is very similar to the shula and the size to the janwi.

I vote for Morocco.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24849

Sajen · 29th March 2020, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Yes, and the fullers are not quite right also. I think it is a locally made imitation of an Italian dagger. Ian

As far I understand, the khodmi is inspected by the Vandetta dagger.

29th March 2020, 02:17 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	Can I assume that this is as well a Khodmi from Iflissen similar to the one the thread started? Last picture show it together with a Bou saidi. Thank you in advance, Detlef Attached Images

29th March 2020, 04:01 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	The khodmi almost universally have the wire wrapping on the grip, unlike the 'vendetta style ones. They may be Bou Saadi made tho. the spines on khodmi often have a tiny step and notch on the spine at the tip. On some this is worn newer ones seen not to have them. Some khodmi with wood/horn gips have been sold in Europe as 'Medieval eating knives' Attached Images

29th March 2020, 02:56 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,518	Detlef, The blade reminds me very much of a 19th C. Italian "vendetta dagger." Perhaps a copy of an Italian blade in Magrib fittings. Ian.

29th March 2020, 04:32 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi You have a North African pseudo pesh kabz. More seriously it's more a Moroccan janwi or genoui than a khodmi... The grip is very similar to the shula and the size to the janwi. I vote for Morocco. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24849