Elegant all steel Miqulet Jezail for comment

qusko · 6th March 2020, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

STU
Have you seen the rings, one on each side, it seems to be standard...

Hi Kubur, Stu,

Ring (in the middle of barrel) in this example of tanchika seems to be original, but maybe more preference of an owner. Usually both rings were on the same side. Attaching some example.

Mel H · 7th March 2020, 02:22 PM

Looking at the example that I have, the ring near the centre of the barrel is fitted in such a simple manner that it could be easily changed to the other side if desired.

Kubur · 7th March 2020, 07:10 PM

Hi
Here is mine and rings are the same side...

kahnjar1 · 8th March 2020, 12:28 AM

I would point out that the issue of ring placement originated on the thread of the Boyliya gun http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25695, not this one re the Tanchika.
As you will see if you refer to the thread above, the issue of the placement has been clarified due to my incorrect observance of the pic which was quite dark. Both rings are in fact on the same side.
The comment placed here however is quite correct in that the ring fitment on Tanchika seems to be able to be fitted either side, but most have them on the same side.
Pic attached showing Tanchika "in action".
Stu

kahnjar1 · 8th March 2020, 01:22 AM

....and also a pic of my Tanchika.
Stu

rickystl · 8th March 2020, 06:49 PM

Hi Mel

Nice find. Yes, that one should clean up nicely. The front sling ring should be mounted on the left side. My reasoning I posted on the Boyliya Thread that Stu linked to above. But easy enough to reposition it during the cleaning process.
I too have a Tanchika in "attic" condition. I've never attempted to clean it since it's in 100% complete, unmolested condition. Also since I own 3 others. LOL But if it were my only piece, I too would clean it.
You will likely find the stock is mostly wood covered with metal sheathing.
Two things I notice with your gun: The barrel bands look as though they may be replacements (period?). But this would be common. Also, I notice the barrel tang screw looks to be a modern wood screw replacement (?) and threaded in from the top. Originally, the barrel tang screws were mounted from the bottom behind the trigger, inside the trigger guard and threaded into the barrel tang. If you look behind the trigger you will likely find the head of a screw or maybe just a hole. My guess is that the original screw became cross threaded or broke at some point and the barrel was reattached using a simple wood screw from the top. You can't completely remove the original screw from the bottom without removing the trigger guard, which is nailed to the stock instead of being set with screws. But the original tang screw from the bottom only needed to be loosened a small amount to separate it from the barrel tang itself. So the original screw never needed to come completely out anyway.The barrel tang screw mounting from the bottom of the stock and threaded into the tang is common with all Balkan style guns. But mounting the screw inside the trigger guard is strange to me. But it is common to every Albanian musket and pistol I have seen.
So you may want to look out for this while disassembling the gun for cleaning.

Rick

Mel H · 12th March 2020, 05:19 PM

Thanks for your thoughts and advice Rick, I'll keep it in mind when I get round to giving it a bit of attention. I won't be doing much more than a general 'tidy up' with some fine steel wool and wax.
Mel.

Philip · 29th March 2020, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Mel

Originally, the barrel tang screws were mounted from the bottom ....The barrel tang screw mounting from the bottom of the stock and threaded into the tang is common with all Balkan style guns. But mounting the screw inside the trigger guard is strange to me. But it is common to every Albanian musket and pistol I have seen.
So you may want to look out for this while disassembling the gun for cleaning.

Rick

Tang screws threaded into the tang itself, and with heads on the bottom, are the norm for Italian and Spanish guns pre-1700. And miquelet lock firearms in the Balkans are based on weapons originally exported to the Balkans from those countries beginning in the first half of the 17th century.

However the location of the screw heads is outside the trigger guard, ahead of it, on the European prototypes. I can't explain the odd position of the screw on Albanian guns. Since you shoot a lot of your guns, do you think this design was dictated by a desire for a certain balance, or length of pull in the case of a shoulder-fired weapon such as a musket?

7th March 2020, 07:10 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Here is mine and rings are the same side... Attached Images

8th March 2020, 12:28 AM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	I would point out that the issue of ring placement originated on the thread of the Boyliya gun http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25695, not this one re the Tanchika. As you will see if you refer to the thread above, the issue of the placement has been clarified due to my incorrect observance of the pic which was quite dark. Both rings are in fact on the same side. The comment placed here however is quite correct in that the ring fitment on Tanchika seems to be able to be fitted either side, but most have them on the same side. Pic attached showing Tanchika "in action". Stu Attached Images Last edited by kahnjar1; 8th March 2020 at 04:18 AM.

8th March 2020, 01:22 AM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	....and also a pic of my Tanchika. Stu Attached Images

7th March 2020, 02:22 PM	#2
Mel H Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: North East England. Posts: 107	Looking at the example that I have, the ring near the centre of the barrel is fitted in such a simple manner that it could be easily changed to the other side if desired.

8th March 2020, 06:49 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Mel Nice find. Yes, that one should clean up nicely. The front sling ring should be mounted on the left side. My reasoning I posted on the Boyliya Thread that Stu linked to above. But easy enough to reposition it during the cleaning process. I too have a Tanchika in "attic" condition. I've never attempted to clean it since it's in 100% complete, unmolested condition. Also since I own 3 others. LOL But if it were my only piece, I too would clean it. You will likely find the stock is mostly wood covered with metal sheathing. Two things I notice with your gun: The barrel bands look as though they may be replacements (period?). But this would be common. Also, I notice the barrel tang screw looks to be a modern wood screw replacement (?) and threaded in from the top. Originally, the barrel tang screws were mounted from the bottom behind the trigger, inside the trigger guard and threaded into the barrel tang. If you look behind the trigger you will likely find the head of a screw or maybe just a hole. My guess is that the original screw became cross threaded or broke at some point and the barrel was reattached using a simple wood screw from the top. You can't completely remove the original screw from the bottom without removing the trigger guard, which is nailed to the stock instead of being set with screws. But the original tang screw from the bottom only needed to be loosened a small amount to separate it from the barrel tang itself. So the original screw never needed to come completely out anyway.The barrel tang screw mounting from the bottom of the stock and threaded into the tang is common with all Balkan style guns. But mounting the screw inside the trigger guard is strange to me. But it is common to every Albanian musket and pistol I have seen. So you may want to look out for this while disassembling the gun for cleaning. Rick

12th March 2020, 05:19 PM	#7
Mel H Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: North East England. Posts: 107	Thanks for your thoughts and advice Rick, I'll keep it in mind when I get round to giving it a bit of attention. I won't be doing much more than a general 'tidy up' with some fine steel wool and wax. Mel.