German Morion around 1600

ulfberth · 15th February 2020, 02:48 PM

Hi Andreas,
As Fernando said ,the helmet is Original don't worry, it is indeed a light weight version, but as on close helmets and other models this weight can vary a lot.
kind regards
Ulfberth

ulfberth · 15th February 2020, 02:59 PM

Although most will weigh around 1500 grams, the first one is from the Metropolitan Museum and weighs 1150 grams and the second one is in the art zeughaus museum in Slothurn Germany and weighs 1180 grams.

AHorsa · 15th February 2020, 03:30 PM

Hello Gentlemen

Thanks a lot for confirming its authenticity and for the supplementary images!

Best regards
Andreas

Lansquenet59 · 15th February 2020, 04:41 PM

Hello,
It is perfectly authentic. It is a very simple model, made in two parts, often light, I have one of a similar weight.

AHorsa · 15th February 2020, 10:41 PM

Thanks for the further opinion. Happy to hear that.
Is it possible to say whether this piece was made for military purposes, for night watches or guards or others?

Lansquenet59 · 16th February 2020, 11:11 AM

For me, it can be quite military, for the infantry. The models with decorations, are generally for the guards of the German cities.

AHorsa · 8th March 2020, 02:08 PM

Hi Lansquenet,

thanks for the info!

I figured out that under the newer blackening there is (active) rust partially. So I removed this new blackening. Now one can see different layer of older colours. The lowest layer seems to be a homogenious greyish/black, partially a bit blueish, thin cover. It looks like burnished. Was burnishing already known and used around 1600? Or might that have been made in later times?

Best regards
Andreas

15th February 2020, 02:59 PM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 428	Although most will weigh around 1500 grams, the first one is from the Metropolitan Museum and weighs 1150 grams and the second one is in the art zeughaus museum in Slothurn Germany and weighs 1180 grams. Attached Images

8th March 2020, 02:08 PM	#7
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Hi Lansquenet, thanks for the info! I figured out that under the newer blackening there is (active) rust partially. So I removed this new blackening. Now one can see different layer of older colours. The lowest layer seems to be a homogenious greyish/black, partially a bit blueish, thin cover. It looks like burnished. Was burnishing already known and used around 1600? Or might that have been made in later times? Best regards Andreas Attached Images

15th February 2020, 02:48 PM	#1
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 428	Hi Andreas, As Fernando said ,the helmet is Original don't worry, it is indeed a light weight version, but as on close helmets and other models this weight can vary a lot. kind regards Ulfberth

15th February 2020, 03:30 PM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Hello Gentlemen Thanks a lot for confirming its authenticity and for the supplementary images! Best regards Andreas

15th February 2020, 04:41 PM	#4
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Hello, It is perfectly authentic. It is a very simple model, made in two parts, often light, I have one of a similar weight.

15th February 2020, 10:41 PM	#5
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Thanks for the further opinion. Happy to hear that. Is it possible to say whether this piece was made for military purposes, for night watches or guards or others?

16th February 2020, 11:11 AM	#6
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	For me, it can be quite military, for the infantry. The models with decorations, are generally for the guards of the German cities.