Unusual figural hilt

GIO · 7th February 2020, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Thank you Alan and David.
I attach the pic of one old (kris?) hilt specimen with a deeply carved base and fitted with a ferrule for whatever reason (damage?). The Solo nunggak semi hilts fitted with a selut also have a recessed base (but less deeply cut) for inserting the selut.
Best regards

IMHO such deeply carved base has the purpose of fitting a keris hilt to a pestel for betel nut breaking.

mariusgmioc · 7th February 2020, 09:28 PM

Hello guys!

You probably know by now that I don't know almost anything about Indonesian krisses...
... but... I have seen many of them in the many museums I have visited in Indonesia and also in the collecteions of the few Indonesian dealers I have visited...
... but...
that definitely does NOT look like keris hilt!

One can fit almost anything to a keris, but does this make it a keris hilt?

Then what is a keris hilt:

1. something attached to a keris to serve as a hilt or...

2. something purposedly made to serve as a hilt for a keris?!

GIO · 24th February 2020, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIO

IMHO such deeply carved base has the purpose of fitting a keris hilt to a pestel for betel nut breaking.

Sorry my previous interpretation was wrong. See the pics for possible explanation.

A. G. Maisey · 24th February 2020, 07:01 PM

Yes, seluts can sit pretty deep, but on this particular hilt it was more likely to have been an iron selut. I've got a couple of hilts with iron seluts, I'll see if I can find them.

Jean · 25th February 2020, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, seluts can sit pretty deep, but on this particular hilt it was more likely to have been an iron selut. I've got a couple of hilts with iron seluts, I'll see if I can find them.

Hello Alan,
You can see a specimen of iron selut in my post #8.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 25th February 2020, 10:28 AM

I'm sorry Jean, but that is a ferrule, it is not a selut.

I'll try to put up a selut pic tomorrow.

A. G. Maisey · 25th February 2020, 11:31 PM

Here are some pics of North Coast hilts with seluts & ferrules --- sorry I've forgotten the correct Javanese name for a ferrule used on a knife or keris handle.

The image with 7 hilts has two hilts with ferrules in the middle of the bottom row.

In the image with two hilts both have heavy seluts, one of brass, one of iron.

The image with a single keris hilt & the selut detached from the hilt demonstrates the setback required for this type of selut.

The handle showing a Dutchman is from a pelecok and has a ferrule. This handle is intended as a visual joke:- the Dutchman is working for the user, not the user working for the Dutchman.

25th February 2020, 11:31 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Here are some pics of North Coast hilts with seluts & ferrules --- sorry I've forgotten the correct Javanese name for a ferrule used on a knife or keris handle. The image with 7 hilts has two hilts with ferrules in the middle of the bottom row. In the image with two hilts both have heavy seluts, one of brass, one of iron. The image with a single keris hilt & the selut detached from the hilt demonstrates the setback required for this type of selut. The handle showing a Dutchman is from a pelecok and has a ferrule. This handle is intended as a visual joke:- the Dutchman is working for the user, not the user working for the Dutchman. Attached Images

7th February 2020, 09:28 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Hello guys! You probably know by now that I don't know almost anything about Indonesian krisses... ... but... I have seen many of them in the many museums I have visited in Indonesia and also in the collecteions of the few Indonesian dealers I have visited... ... but... that definitely does NOT look like keris hilt! One can fit almost anything to a keris, but does this make it a keris hilt? Then what is a keris hilt: 1. something attached to a keris to serve as a hilt or... 2. something purposedly made to serve as a hilt for a keris?!

24th February 2020, 07:01 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes, seluts can sit pretty deep, but on this particular hilt it was more likely to have been an iron selut. I've got a couple of hilts with iron seluts, I'll see if I can find them.

25th February 2020, 10:28 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I'm sorry Jean, but that is a ferrule, it is not a selut. I'll try to put up a selut pic tomorrow.