Indonesian, Scottish or Something Else ?

drac2k · 14th January 2020, 06:39 PM

Thanks for your input; the horn handles didn't seem Scottish either.

Interested Party · 15th January 2020, 12:54 AM

Could it be Scandinavian or Sami? The stitching, molded sheath, ferrules, handle pattern if not material, and blade design seem to fit the Scandinavian pattern to me.

A. G. Maisey · 15th January 2020, 01:46 AM

Antique table cutlery is one of my side interests. I am very far from expert, but I do have more than a little antique cutlery and I use it every day.

Using the Hollander collection as a reference, I'm inclined to place this knife and fork as German or Dutch, possibly 18th century. I base this guess upon overall similarity in style, not upon an exactly similar example.

Robert · 15th January 2020, 02:30 AM

As for the signature/writing you might try doing a rubbing to see if anything legible might be produced. Other than that I have nothing else to add that has not already been suggested by others.

Best,
Robert

drac2k · 15th January 2020, 01:04 PM

All very thoughtful comments, thank you; maybe it belonged to William"Bill the Butcher," from the "Gangs of New York."

Henk · 15th January 2020, 02:18 PM

Can you read the writing or rub it? It could give a hint in wich direction we have to search.

drac2k · 15th January 2020, 04:43 PM

Yes, it looks like "K.Rily 1818."

14th January 2020, 06:39 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks for your input; the horn handles didn't seem Scottish either.

15th January 2020, 12:54 AM	#2
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 492	Could it be Scandinavian or Sami? The stitching, molded sheath, ferrules, handle pattern if not material, and blade design seem to fit the Scandinavian pattern to me.

15th January 2020, 01:46 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Antique table cutlery is one of my side interests. I am very far from expert, but I do have more than a little antique cutlery and I use it every day. Using the Hollander collection as a reference, I'm inclined to place this knife and fork as German or Dutch, possibly 18th century. I base this guess upon overall similarity in style, not upon an exactly similar example.

15th January 2020, 02:30 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	As for the signature/writing you might try doing a rubbing to see if anything legible might be produced. Other than that I have nothing else to add that has not already been suggested by others. Best, Robert

15th January 2020, 01:04 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	All very thoughtful comments, thank you; maybe it belonged to William"Bill the Butcher," from the "Gangs of New York."

15th January 2020, 02:18 PM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Can you read the writing or rub it? It could give a hint in wich direction we have to search.

15th January 2020, 04:43 PM	#7
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Yes, it looks like "K.Rily 1818."