Indian Katar ,tourist maybe ?

Kubur · 9th December 2019, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Thank you Ariel for 'pushing' the discussion back on trail:-).

Well actually it was Ariel who put it off road with some general comments on touristic katar...

I don't think it's fair to compare Elgood with his amazing books full of details, notes and well grounded litterature and Rivkin 's last book grounded partially on opinions a bit like on this forum... It's not the same league and not the same topic...

mahratt · 9th December 2019, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

I don't think it's fair to compare Elgood with his amazing books full of details, notes and well grounded litterature and Rivkin 's last book grounded partially on opinions a bit like on this forum... It's not the same league and not the same topic...

In the Russian language there is an expression "hand washes a hand" (from the Latin expression "Manus manum lavat"). Its meaning is that friends will always praise each other

ariel · 9th December 2019, 08:21 PM

I do not wish to engage in this type of discussion.
If anybody here wants to open a separate topic addressing pros and cons of various books on the subject, I shall be happy to add my 2 cents worth.

Provided, of course, that I had been able to read and comprehend them in their entirety.

Kubur · 10th December 2019, 02:55 AM

Please don't be mistaken
I'm following your posts, Ariel, and i like or agree with some of them.
BUT Rivkin, with all my respect, has nothing to do with this katar.
I think it's an on-going discussion between Maratt and you.
As the Indian weapon forum guru Jens said let's come back to the topic.

ALEX · 10th December 2019, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Please don't be mistaken
I'm following your posts, Ariel, and i like or agree with some of them.
BUT Rivkin, with all my respect, has nothing to do with this katar.
I think it's an on-going discussion between Maratt and you.
As the Indian weapon forum guru Jens said let's come back to the topic.

I disagree with your earlier comparison between R. Elgood and K. Rivkin as well as the above comment. Both authors are experienced researchers in their field of study, and present valuable material and analysis. What Ariel mentioned about Mr. Rivkin's book was not about a particular weapon, but about analysis of evolution/development of a weapon in general. K. Rivkin's book follows that approach, as should anyone studying and/or researching.
Are we on the same topic

ariel · 14th December 2019, 02:32 PM

Precisely!
To fully understand and, more importantly, to critique Rivkin’s books one needs to be able to have fluent command of English to actually read and comprehend them from cover to cover instead of looking at the pictures. I am sure Kubur has it, but some other persons finding faults with them do not. And this is a pity and a shame.

David R · 14th December 2019, 05:47 PM

As I understand it, Katar daggers were more of a civil weapon than a battlefield weapon, as in fact most daggers are. When swords and spears are on the field a dagger is a last resort used in desperation, or to give a coup de grace to the fallen.

I have also read of them being used in some parts of India to shed blood when making a binding contract.....

In this case I think the posted weapon is a decent example of the real thing, tourist stuff tends to be cheap and flashy

There are actually a fair few of them posted on this site.

Jim McDougall · 15th December 2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

I disagree with your earlier comparison between R. Elgood and K. Rivkin as well as the above comment. Both authors are experienced researchers in their field of study, and present valuable material and analysis. What Ariel mentioned about Mr. Rivkin's book was not about a particular weapon, but about analysis of evolution/development of a weapon in general. K. Rivkin's book follows that approach, as should anyone studying and/or researching.
Are we on the same topic

Brilliantly said Alex

9th December 2019, 08:21 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not wish to engage in this type of discussion. If anybody here wants to open a separate topic addressing pros and cons of various books on the subject, I shall be happy to add my 2 cents worth. Provided, of course, that I had been able to read and comprehend them in their entirety. Last edited by ariel; 10th December 2019 at 12:10 AM.

10th December 2019, 02:55 AM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Please don't be mistaken I'm following your posts, Ariel, and i like or agree with some of them. BUT Rivkin, with all my respect, has nothing to do with this katar. I think it's an on-going discussion between Maratt and you. As the Indian weapon forum guru Jens said let's come back to the topic.

14th December 2019, 02:32 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Precisely! To fully understand and, more importantly, to critique Rivkin’s books one needs to be able to have fluent command of English to actually read and comprehend them from cover to cover instead of looking at the pictures. I am sure Kubur has it, but some other persons finding faults with them do not. And this is a pity and a shame.

14th December 2019, 05:47 PM	#7
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,120	As I understand it, Katar daggers were more of a civil weapon than a battlefield weapon, as in fact most daggers are. When swords and spears are on the field a dagger is a last resort used in desperation, or to give a coup de grace to the fallen. I have also read of them being used in some parts of India to shed blood when making a binding contract..... In this case I think the posted weapon is a decent example of the real thing, tourist stuff tends to be cheap and flashy There are actually a fair few of them posted on this site.