Cut steel decorations on Indian arms

mahratt · 10th November 2019, 09:49 PM

Unfortunately, it turned out that I - bad photographer

And I can’t take a good picture of my кatar.
But, I found my кatar on the website of Artzi Yarom (аlthough he did get into my modest collection not from Artzi). So I decided to put a photo and description from the Artzi website:
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2351
"Kаttar push dagger, North India, probably late 18 C or there about. The heavy blade 10 inches long and 2 inches wide is forged from fine Indian wootz steel ( crystalline) and finely chiseled with hunting scenes on both sides: Tigers, elephants and horse riders. Heavy armor piercing tip. Total length 19 inches".
I think no one will have any doubt that Artzi saw wootz on the blade of this кatar?
The only thing I disagree with is the dating of кatar - the late 18th century. I think that my кatar can be dated to the first half - the middle of the 19th century.

Kubur · 10th November 2019, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

The only thing I disagree with is the dating of кatar - the late 18th century. I think that my кatar can be dated to the first half - the middle of the 19th century.

Well dealers have to sell so they are always optimistics...
19th c is reasonnable, look at this one in the British museums
Acquired by King Edward VII, when Prince of Wales, during his tour of India in 1875-76.
You have a nice katar by the way

mahratt · 11th November 2019, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

19th c is reasonnable, look at this one in the British museums
Acquired by King Edward VII, when Prince of Wales, during his tour of India in 1875-76.
You have a nice katar by the way

Thank you!
The dating of my кatar with the 19th century, and not with the 18th century, does not bother me. I am not trying to find "very old unique rarities"

mahratt · 11th November 2019, 07:49 AM

An interesting Indian bazuband from the collection of my friend.

Jens Nordlunde · 11th November 2019, 03:34 PM

Its a very nice bazuband.
I have often wondered how they, with the primitive tools they had, were able to make these steel cuttings.

For those of you who like riddles. Have a look at the pata I showed. There are a lot of peacocks at the edge of the gauntlet. If you dont see them, look for how the peacocks were shown in the 16th to 17th century.

Silver John · 17th November 2019, 04:09 PM

Encouraged by Jens on a separate thread, I have decided to post the only Indian piece I own with cut steel decoration.

A modest tulwar, sadly missing the pommel disc. The blade is a decent size; 77cm long and the piece weighs 670grams, but the handle is absolutely tiny, with only 7cm of room for the hand.

I would be very interested in any comments.

Jens Nordlunde · 17th November 2019, 04:40 PM

Silver John, thank you very much for posting:-).

Is the hilt silver plated - or was it?
Its interesting to think of, how much this hilt have been used to be worn like it is. A grip of the size of 7 cm does not surprise me, as I think most grips are about this size. The missing disc is interesting, but have relatively often been seen.
Intersting blade, which could be European, or maybe an Indian copy, as these stamps were copied a lot in India.

10th November 2019, 09:49 PM	#1
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Unfortunately, it turned out that I - bad photographer And I can’t take a good picture of my кatar. But, I found my кatar on the website of Artzi Yarom (аlthough he did get into my modest collection not from Artzi). So I decided to put a photo and description from the Artzi website: http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2351 "Kаttar push dagger, North India, probably late 18 C or there about. The heavy blade 10 inches long and 2 inches wide is forged from fine Indian wootz steel ( crystalline) and finely chiseled with hunting scenes on both sides: Tigers, elephants and horse riders. Heavy armor piercing tip. Total length 19 inches". I think no one will have any doubt that Artzi saw wootz on the blade of this кatar? The only thing I disagree with is the dating of кatar - the late 18th century. I think that my кatar can be dated to the first half - the middle of the 19th century. Attached Images

11th November 2019, 07:49 AM	#4
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	An interesting Indian bazuband from the collection of my friend. Attached Images

11th November 2019, 03:34 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Its a very nice bazuband. I have often wondered how they, with the primitive tools they had, were able to make these steel cuttings. For those of you who like riddles. Have a look at the pata I showed. There are a lot of peacocks at the edge of the gauntlet. If you dont see them, look for how the peacocks were shown in the 16th to 17th century. Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 11th November 2019 at 04:07 PM.

17th November 2019, 04:09 PM	#6
Silver John Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 31	Encouraged by Jens on a separate thread, I have decided to post the only Indian piece I own with cut steel decoration. A modest tulwar, sadly missing the pommel disc. The blade is a decent size; 77cm long and the piece weighs 670grams, but the handle is absolutely tiny, with only 7cm of room for the hand. I would be very interested in any comments. Attached Images

17th November 2019, 04:40 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Silver John, thank you very much for posting:-). Is the hilt silver plated - or was it? Its interesting to think of, how much this hilt have been used to be worn like it is. A grip of the size of 7 cm does not surprise me, as I think most grips are about this size. The missing disc is interesting, but have relatively often been seen. Intersting blade, which could be European, or maybe an Indian copy, as these stamps were copied a lot in India.