Italian or spanish navaja old knife ?

[kronckew]

Lot's of info on these ratcheting Navajas here on the forum, 'search' is your friend.

[francantolin]

Hello,

thank you too Kronckew,
I looked on some threads on the forum but didn't find this exact shape...
here some pictures of the engravings,
nice but ''nothing special'', the same on both side

[francantolin]

another old knife with nice engravings
maybe a spanish catalan knife
'' Qui mal gasta mal pasar ? ''

[fernando]

Qui(en) mal gasta, mal pasa.
Sort of; He who spends badly, badly will live .

[Fernando K]

Hello
"Q U I" is Italian, means HERE, in this world. Therefore, it seems to me that the razor is Italian

Affectionately

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you Fernando(s) : )

Yes maybe dialect of spain
( catalan is really different from spanish )

Or maybe sardinian-corsican italian knife ?...

Kind regards

Francky

[bvieira]

Hello,

it's spanish, model used in 19th and beginning 20th century, i have one similar, but it was some silver engravings.

Regards,

BV

[francantolin]

Originally Posted by francantolin

Hello,

Thank you Fernando(s) : )

Yes maybe dialect of spain
( catalan is really different from spanish )

Or maybe sardinian-corsican italian knife ?...

Kind regards

Francky

A funny example of big difference between catalan and spanish:

''Please'' said '' Por favor'' in spanish
and became '' Si'us plau '' in Barcelona , ( written on old walls of the city )
coming from the french '' S'il vous plait'' ( close to the frontier...)

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

..."Q U I" is Italian, means HERE, in this world...

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

...The inscription reads like misspelled Spanish...

Yet some plausibility applies in this case; QUI and QUIEN were relative terms, back in the middle ages; apparently this left track till 'the other day'.

" Algo más posterior es el estudio de Elvira sobre la sintaxis de los relativos qui y quien en español antiguo15. A partir de un corpus de textos medievales, analiza los usos sintácticos de los pronombres qui y quien en relativas con antecedente explícito "


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[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by fernando

Yet some plausibility applies in this case; QUI and QUIEN were relative terms, back in the middle ages; apparently this left track till 'the other day'.

" Algo más posterior es el estudio de Elvira sobre la sintaxis de los relativos qui y quien en español antiguo15. A partir de un corpus de textos medievales, analiza los usos sintácticos de los pronombres qui y quien en relativas con antecedente explícito "


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Thank you for that clarification.

Cheers
Chris

[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by francantolin

another old knife with nice engravings
maybe a spanish catalan knife
'' Qui mal gasta mal pasar ? ''

The overall shape of the knife corresponds most closely to those of Sevilla. For reference see Forton's `Navajas Antiguas, Las Mejores Piezas de Coleccion'.

Catalan navajas generally have a different shape.

The inscription reads like misspelled Spanish. We have to remember that most cutlers were illiterate and engraved the legends by rote.

Cheers
Chris