Opinions about this Gunong

Hombre · 6th October 2019, 04:36 PM

Thank you so very much for your opinions, guys! I really appreciate it!
I will post better pictures of it when I have it in my hands.

Best,
Stefan

Ian · 7th October 2019, 04:01 PM

Hi Stefan:

I'm looking at this gunong and the other blade that you posted here at the same time, the Espada Maranao, and it looks to me that these were probably made in the same place and at roughly the same time. Both seem to have the same very white material for the hilts (which David has identified as probably coming from a giant clam), and the scabbards appear to be constructed similarly from what looks to me to be mango wood. The white metal is probably white brass or similar alloy IMHO.

If so, then your gunong would be a recent Maranao product. Hilts made from this very white material (from the giant clam, Tridacna) seem to have appeared in the last 20–30 years, and may be a replacement for ivory, which has become more expensive and harder to obtain with the implementation of international treaties banning ivory use. Mango wood is an inexpensive hardwood that seems to be used more frequently in sheaths during the last 30 or so years.

Did you get these two from the same seller?

Ian

Hombre · 9th October 2019, 05:38 PM

Thank you, Ian! I really appreciate your thoughts!

Yes, they are from the same seller.... His father was working in the Philippines for 7 years, around 1970 and forward so to speak.....
Like everyone else I also would like to collect old nice blades

and the funny thing is that the blade this guy was intending to throw away was the best among his blades.... The Moro Kris Kalis.... I wonder how many interesting blades are just thrown away because people think it is only junk....

Best,
Stefan

Show the Moro Kris Kalis again.... Shall follow the advice I got with the blade....

Ian · 9th October 2019, 09:53 PM

Hi again Stefan:

Nice cache of Maranao weapons that you came across. They are all of the same general vintage, second half of the 20th C, which fits with the time the original collector was in the Philippines. Do you happen to know where that individual purchased them? I would not be surprised if they came from Zamboanga, although recent Maranao weapons can be found in Manila's antique shops as well.

Ian.

Sajen · 10th October 2019, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

They are all of the same general vintage, second half of the 20th C, which fits with the time the original collector was in the Philippines.

Hi Ian,

While I agree with you in general I have to disagree when it comes to the kris blade, the overall style and the separate gangya I personally would place at the end of 19th to very early 20th century. I guess that an antique blade with rotted fittings get a new dress at the time of the mid to second half of the 20th, the current hilt and scabbard are typical for this time.
I know this practise from Indonesia, for example you can find very old blades in rather new tourist fittings (Bali).
I am nearly sure that we see an antique blade here.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 10th October 2019, 07:34 PM

The best I am able to manage!

Battara · 10th October 2019, 08:30 PM

Oh I agree that the blade is old and around the time you suggest, Sajen. I'm with Ian when it comes to everything else about the kris. And yes you are also right in that several of these old blades have new "clothes" on them.

9th October 2019, 05:38 PM	#3
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Thank you, Ian! I really appreciate your thoughts! Yes, they are from the same seller.... His father was working in the Philippines for 7 years, around 1970 and forward so to speak..... Like everyone else I also would like to collect old nice blades and the funny thing is that the blade this guy was intending to throw away was the best among his blades.... The Moro Kris Kalis.... I wonder how many interesting blades are just thrown away because people think it is only junk.... Best, Stefan Show the Moro Kris Kalis again.... Shall follow the advice I got with the blade.... Attached Images

10th October 2019, 07:34 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	The best I am able to manage! Attached Images

6th October 2019, 04:36 PM	#1
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Thank you so very much for your opinions, guys! I really appreciate it! I will post better pictures of it when I have it in my hands. Best, Stefan

7th October 2019, 04:01 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,398	Hi Stefan: I'm looking at this gunong and the other blade that you posted here at the same time, the Espada Maranao, and it looks to me that these were probably made in the same place and at roughly the same time. Both seem to have the same very white material for the hilts (which David has identified as probably coming from a giant clam), and the scabbards appear to be constructed similarly from what looks to me to be mango wood. The white metal is probably white brass or similar alloy IMHO. If so, then your gunong would be a recent Maranao product. Hilts made from this very white material (from the giant clam, Tridacna) seem to have appeared in the last 20–30 years, and may be a replacement for ivory, which has become more expensive and harder to obtain with the implementation of international treaties banning ivory use. Mango wood is an inexpensive hardwood that seems to be used more frequently in sheaths during the last 30 or so years. Did you get these two from the same seller? Ian

9th October 2019, 09:53 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,398	Hi again Stefan: Nice cache of Maranao weapons that you came across. They are all of the same general vintage, second half of the 20th C, which fits with the time the original collector was in the Philippines. Do you happen to know where that individual purchased them? I would not be surprised if they came from Zamboanga, although recent Maranao weapons can be found in Manila's antique shops as well. Ian.

10th October 2019, 08:30 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Oh I agree that the blade is old and around the time you suggest, Sajen. I'm with Ian when it comes to everything else about the kris. And yes you are also right in that several of these old blades have new "clothes" on them.