Miquelet Percussion Pistol for ID and Comment

David R · 15th September 2019, 11:22 PM

Thank you for this excellent explanation of the different gun lock types. Which has cleared up a detail that was bothering me about the gun at the top of the thread.

Fernando K · 15th September 2019, 11:40 PM

Hello

In the description of the "fashionable Madrid" miquetete there are several errors. The chock C is not half-cock, but is for full-cock, and conversely, the front chock is the one that acts in half-cock. In addition, the firing is not achieved by means of the spring appendix, but by means of a bar

Affectionately

Fernando K · 15th September 2019, 11:54 PM

Hi Jim

The miquelete is located in the Mediterranean area, it has had many variants, according to the country of construction, and all variants have been reciprocally influenced: the "agujeta" the Spanish miquelete, the Portuguese specimens, the Roman lock, the Arabian miquelete or "a la morlaca" and the "fashionable Madrid" lock and the "three fashion" lock.

Neal and Lavin have taken care of the Spanish miqueletes.

kahnjar1 · 16th September 2019, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hi Jim

The miquelete is located in the Mediterranean area, it has had many variants, according to the country of construction, and all variants have been reciprocally influenced: the "agujeta" the Spanish miquelete, the Portuguese specimens, the Roman lock, the Arabian miquelete or "a la morlaca" and the "fashionable Madrid" lock and the "three fashion" lock.

Neal and Lavin have taken care of the Spanish miqueletes.

Hi Fernando,
I have no doubt that the details shown do not cover all variants of a particular lock type. Just posted to show that there are many different types of lock in existence.
I have checked the third screw on the counter plate and can tell you it serves no purpose. I do agree though that there was probably a belt hook at some stage. I will have to see if I can find a suitable one to replace it.
Stu

fernando · 16th September 2019, 11:04 AM

With the invention of the percussion cap (Forsyth) in the first quarter XIX century, there has been an authentic race for flintlock to percussion conversion, both by military as by civilian, as the advantage was tremendous. The massive run must have been by the 1830's. A number of conversion methods were carried out, some ingenious and some clumsy, military being stronger and more perfect versions,
This to say that, when you see a Miquelete with a percussion system, you think twice before you assume whether it was born like that or was result of a conversion.
Here is one of mine which (to me) was born for percussion.

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David R · 16th September 2019, 01:05 PM

Here is my flint to percussion conversion, on a gun posted here.

Jim McDougall · 16th September 2019, 07:29 PM

Guys thank you so much for these great insights into my question on the miguelet lock on guns! and Stu, especially for that comprehensive entry from a fantastic resource.
It will take me a bit to fathom all of the details here, as even most of the nomenclature is entirely foreign to me. However, I very much admire the command of all this you guys clearly have.
Fernando, thank you for the very pertinent notes toward the conversion phenomenon which became profoundly important in the 19th c.

Fernando K, thank you for the observations on the keen details in these locks, which really add a lot of dimension to understanding more on them and their distinctions!

Very much appreciated,

Jim (a sword guy trying to learn about guns)

16th September 2019, 11:04 AM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Yes, the conversions ... With the invention of the percussion cap (Forsyth) in the first quarter XIX century, there has been an authentic race for flintlock to percussion conversion, both by military as by civilian, as the advantage was tremendous. The massive run must have been by the 1830's. A number of conversion methods were carried out, some ingenious and some clumsy, military being stronger and more perfect versions, This to say that, when you see a Miquelete with a percussion system, you think twice before you assume whether it was born like that or was result of a conversion. Here is one of mine which (to me) was born for percussion. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 16th September 2019 at 11:21 AM.

16th September 2019, 01:05 PM	#6
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,120	Here is my flint to percussion conversion, on a gun posted here. Attached Images

15th September 2019, 11:22 PM	#1
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,120	Thank you for this excellent explanation of the different gun lock types. Which has cleared up a detail that was bothering me about the gun at the top of the thread.

15th September 2019, 11:40 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello In the description of the "fashionable Madrid" miquetete there are several errors. The chock C is not half-cock, but is for full-cock, and conversely, the front chock is the one that acts in half-cock. In addition, the firing is not achieved by means of the spring appendix, but by means of a bar Affectionately

15th September 2019, 11:54 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hi Jim The miquelete is located in the Mediterranean area, it has had many variants, according to the country of construction, and all variants have been reciprocally influenced: the "agujeta" the Spanish miquelete, the Portuguese specimens, the Roman lock, the Arabian miquelete or "a la morlaca" and the "fashionable Madrid" lock and the "three fashion" lock. Neal and Lavin have taken care of the Spanish miqueletes.

16th September 2019, 07:29 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,283	Guys thank you so much for these great insights into my question on the miguelet lock on guns! and Stu, especially for that comprehensive entry from a fantastic resource. It will take me a bit to fathom all of the details here, as even most of the nomenclature is entirely foreign to me. However, I very much admire the command of all this you guys clearly have. Fernando, thank you for the very pertinent notes toward the conversion phenomenon which became profoundly important in the 19th c. Fernando K, thank you for the observations on the keen details in these locks, which really add a lot of dimension to understanding more on them and their distinctions! Very much appreciated, Jim (a sword guy trying to learn about guns)