Identifying horn species on a yatagan hilt

Kubur · 3rd September 2019, 08:24 PM

If i put a torch behind my ears, they will be red translucid for sure
but not rhino either...

David R · 3rd September 2019, 10:18 PM

There is a reason I asked for a pic' of the whole thing... More clues!

ipostswords · 5th September 2019, 08:56 AM

More photos

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 6th September 2019, 05:20 PM

Why is it bovine and not Rhino...? Its translucent and has the grain of Rhino...Therefor l suggest Rhino.

Battara · 6th September 2019, 06:22 PM

I have handled albino carabao horn before and it doesn't seem to be translucent like rhino, nor is it as fiberous as rhino.

If there is an example of albino carabao horn that is translucent like this, please post so that we can compare and learn.

ipostswords · 6th September 2019, 11:56 PM

Some mildly magnified images

mahratt · 7th September 2019, 03:35 PM

Sorry for my bad english. My 5 cents. I’ll try to explain about the rhino horn. I think everyone knows that a rhino horn has a structure that is different from that of a cow horn.
The rhino horn consists of special very hard hair that has grown together. The result is a structure in which the fibers are arranged - in parallel.
This can be seen in the photographs with red arrows.
If we look at the cross section of the horn, we will see a structure that is somewhat similar to the points - these are transverse sections of hairs.

On the subject that we are discussing, we see "curls" (indicated by green arrows), which do not happen on the rhino horn. And we do not see the "points" that occur on the cross section of the rhino horn.

In addition, the rhino horn is never stratified by “scales” (indicated by a yellow arrow). But such a stratification is found on old products from cow horn ...

ipostswords · 6th September 2019, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Why is it bovine and not Rhino...? Its translucent and has the grain of Rhino...Therefor l suggest Rhino.

Your thread on omani khanjars is what initially taught me about the light test and got me thinking it might be rhino, but many people think it is ram or bovine. I don't know what to think.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 7th September 2019, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ipostswords

Your thread on omani khanjars is what initially taught me about the light test and got me thinking it might be rhino, but many people think it is ram or bovine. I don't know what to think.

Not an easy one I agree ...and a rams horn ...is inscribed on the blade on your second picture...so... But the grip opposed to the ears is so hacked about it is almost impossible to tell ...but I will stick to the translucency test which indicates Rhino … probably very old but there it is.

Notwithstanding the horn ..this is a great weapon and a fine example.

sfenoid13 · 8th September 2019, 03:38 AM

I agree 100%! This is Rams horn. Made In Turkey. As far as I know they fry these horns before installation to protect them from worms getting to them, that’s why the color is usually odd in these and look like rhino. It’s fried

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Not an easy one I agree ...and a rams horn ...is inscribed on the blade on your second picture...so... But the grip opposed to the ears is so hacked about it is almost impossible to tell ...but I will stick to the translucency test which indicates Rhino … probably very old but there it is.

Notwithstanding the horn ..this is a great weapon and a fine example.

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mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Sorry for my bad english. My 5 cents. I’ll try to explain about the rhino horn. I think everyone knows that a rhino horn has a structure that is different from that of a cow horn. The rhino horn consists of special very hard hair that has grown together. The result is a structure in which the fibers are arranged - in parallel. This can be seen in the photographs with red arrows. If we look at the cross section of the horn, we will see a structure that is somewhat similar to the points - these are transverse sections of hairs. On the subject that we are discussing, we see "curls" (indicated by green arrows), which do not happen on the rhino horn. And we do not see the "points" that occur on the cross section of the rhino horn. In addition, the rhino horn is never stratified by “scales” (indicated by a yellow arrow). But such a stratification is found on old products from cow horn ... Attached Images Last edited by mahratt; 7th September 2019 at 03:49 PM.

3rd September 2019, 08:24 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	If i put a torch behind my ears, they will be red translucid for sure but not rhino either...

3rd September 2019, 10:18 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	There is a reason I asked for a pic' of the whole thing... More clues!

6th September 2019, 05:20 PM	#4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Why is it bovine and not Rhino...? Its translucent and has the grain of Rhino...Therefor l suggest Rhino.

6th September 2019, 06:22 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I have handled albino carabao horn before and it doesn't seem to be translucent like rhino, nor is it as fiberous as rhino. If there is an example of albino carabao horn that is translucent like this, please post so that we can compare and learn.