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			Yes, you're right Jean, speed kills. No sogokan, I should have checked before rushing into print. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	What you call the "Dhapur" book, I call the Surakarta Pakem. Its the same book. Actually, many years ago, some time in the 1980's, I was offered the original of this book with all the hand drawn illustrations and hand written notes, it is a very big book. The price was way beyond me, but I was permitted to borrow it and photograph the pages. I guess I'd have to go with "diluar pakem", which is the usual for these more recent keris. Pity. Incidentally, the "greneng above the KK" is called a "jenggot", a beard.  | 
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