Philippine (?) spearhead for comments & ID

panday · 23rd April 2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Is that inlay Panday ?

Yes Rick, that's an inlay, not sure what type of metal though, I was gonna say silver, but it's kind of reddish yellow, any idea?

Rick · 23rd April 2006, 09:38 PM

Mmmmmmmm .. Suassa .
Really a beautiful point Panday !

Lew · 23rd April 2006, 10:05 PM

Hi Ferg

Here are two from my collection.The smaller one may help you with your rehafting project.

Good Luck

Lew

Ferguson · 24th April 2006, 02:50 AM

Nice inlay Panday.

Lew and Rick thanks! Those pictures are just what I needed.

Steve

Rick · 24th April 2006, 03:03 AM

Ferg , you could easily make a ferrule like Lew's ; I would suggest using at least 6ga. Sterling sheet folded on the edge , formed around a ring mandrel and then soldered on a soldering mandrel while held together with iron wire .
Of course your silver sheet will have to be fan shaped in outline .
I'm willing to bet that Battara has the right equipment for this work .

I used to .

Silver is really fun to work with .

Ian · 24th April 2006, 04:12 AM

Probably brass, perhaps with more copper than usual.

Ian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by panday

Rick,

Yes Rick, that's an inlay, not sure what type of metal though, I was gonna say silver, but it's kind of reddish yellow, any idea?

kai · 27th April 2006, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panday

Yes Rick, that's an inlay, not sure what type of metal though, I was gonna say silver, but it's kind of reddish yellow, any idea?

Hello Panday,

I'm pretty sure that's really silver (alloy). I've seen this kind of yellowish "patina" with several blades (probably all etched with fruits) - one example would be this inlayed kris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1243 (the uncleaned inlay looked even more brownish/dark-yellowish than the pics shown).

Regards,
Kai

panday · 27th April 2006, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Panday,

I'm pretty sure that's really silver (alloy). I've seen this kind of yellowish "patina" with several blades (probably all etched with fruits) - one example would be this inlayed kris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1243 (the uncleaned inlay looked even more brownish/dark-yellowish than the pics shown).

Regards,
Kai

You're probably right Kai, I just finished comparing the tone of your Krises inlay to my spearhead's, they're about thesame.

Thanks,
panday

panday · 27th April 2006, 06:18 AM

Btw Kai, how did that restoration on that Kris came out, can you post photos pls.

Thanks,
panday

kai · 27th April 2006, 09:23 PM

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Btw Kai, how did that restoration on that Kris came out, can you post photos pls.

Hello Punal, I never got around to decide wether the last polishing round was going to be the final one.

So, the blade is still unstained and disassembled. I'll surely post pics once it's finished...

Battara · 27th April 2006, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Panday,

I'm pretty sure that's really silver (alloy). I've seen this kind of yellowish "patina" with several blades (probably all etched with fruits) - one example would be this inlayed kris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1243 (the uncleaned inlay looked even more brownish/dark-yellowish than the pics shown).

Regards,
Kai

Kai, you make a good point. Especially if the copper content is high, like in coin silver (80% silver 20% copper) or lower, the patina/tarnish can look yellow or even brown versus the usual black for sterling (92% silver 8% copper) or higher.

Battara · 27th April 2006, 06:35 PM

Oh yes, and just for the halibut (

) here is another spear head that I have mounted with my armour:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1963

kai · 27th April 2006, 09:37 PM

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here is another spear head that I have mounted with my armour

Wow, that's a nice one! How about the whole blade?

So you finally got a digicam, Battara? Great, keep them pics coming!

Rick · 27th April 2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Oh yes, and just for the halibut (

) here is another spear head that I have mounted with my armour:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1963

Good 'Cod' Jose ; I'm left 'floundering' for words .
Yes, let's see more de'tails' ; whoever made that point put his heart and 'Sole' into the effort .

/aaarrrggh

Battara · 28th April 2006, 07:27 PM

Kai,

No still needing to get a dig camera. These are Rswords pictures he sent me before I got the spear from him (and after). I will post a picture of the whole blade next week (as soon as I can find it

).

On application of different silvers: I'm not sure. If brass was used as inlay (fairly hard metal this this) then coin silver would be softer, and sterling or pure would be even softer and easier to inlay. Sterling and coin would probably be more needed for pommels and mounts due to the amount of expensive material needed and it will hold it's form better than pure silver.

Rick,

Thank you. What you said was beautiful, just beautiful (I think I'm going to cry

).

kai · 27th April 2006, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Kai, you make a good point. Especially if the copper content is high, like in coin silver (80% silver 20% copper) or lower, the patina/tarnish can look yellow or even brown versus the usual black for sterling (92% silver 8% copper) or higher.

Hello Battara,

Yes, coin silver would be always readily available. Silver on the hilts seem to be often close to sterling silver whereas of the small sample of inlayed blades which I saw most seemed to be coin silver.

Are that differences in the silver alloy which lend themselves to different applications or are other factors like many inlays older than silver fittings on an average kris, etc. of greater importance?

23rd April 2006, 10:05 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi Ferg Here are two from my collection.The smaller one may help you with your rehafting project. Good Luck Lew Attached Images

27th April 2006, 06:35 PM	#12
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Oh yes, and just for the halibut ( ) here is another spear head that I have mounted with my armour: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1963 Attached Images Last edited by Battara; 27th April 2006 at 06:49 PM.

23rd April 2006, 09:38 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Mmmmmmmm .. Suassa . Really a beautiful point Panday !

24th April 2006, 02:50 AM	#4
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Nice inlay Panday. Lew and Rick thanks! Those pictures are just what I needed. Steve

24th April 2006, 03:03 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Ferg , you could easily make a ferrule like Lew's ; I would suggest using at least 6ga. Sterling sheet folded on the edge , formed around a ring mandrel and then soldered on a soldering mandrel while held together with iron wire . Of course your silver sheet will have to be fan shaped in outline . I'm willing to bet that Battara has the right equipment for this work . I used to . Silver is really fun to work with .

27th April 2006, 06:18 AM	#9
panday Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	Btw Kai, how did that restoration on that Kris came out, can you post photos pls. Thanks, panday

28th April 2006, 07:27 PM	#15
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Kai, No still needing to get a dig camera. These are Rswords pictures he sent me before I got the spear from him (and after). I will post a picture of the whole blade next week (as soon as I can find it ). On application of different silvers: I'm not sure. If brass was used as inlay (fairly hard metal this this) then coin silver would be softer, and sterling or pure would be even softer and easier to inlay. Sterling and coin would probably be more needed for pommels and mounts due to the amount of expensive material needed and it will hold it's form better than pure silver. Rick, Thank you. What you said was beautiful, just beautiful (I think I'm going to cry ).