Philippine (?) spearhead for comments & ID

Ferguson · 23rd April 2006, 07:23 PM

Rick, if it's not too much trouble, could you please post pics of the ferrule and the tailpiece? I was toying with the idea of mounting mine and would like to know what the ferrule looks like.
Thanks!

Steve

Edit: That is gorgeous! And Panday, thanks for the picture of your very nice piece.

Battara · 23rd April 2006, 08:30 PM

Beautiful puppy Panday. Possibly an early budiak?

Rick · 23rd April 2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Beautiful puppy Panday. Possibly an early budiak?

Is that inlay Panday ?

panday · 23rd April 2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Is that inlay Panday ?

Yes Rick, that's an inlay, not sure what type of metal though, I was gonna say silver, but it's kind of reddish yellow, any idea?

Rick · 23rd April 2006, 09:38 PM

Mmmmmmmm .. Suassa .
Really a beautiful point Panday !

Lew · 23rd April 2006, 10:05 PM

Hi Ferg

Here are two from my collection.The smaller one may help you with your rehafting project.

Good Luck

Lew

Ferguson · 24th April 2006, 02:50 AM

Nice inlay Panday.

Lew and Rick thanks! Those pictures are just what I needed.

Steve

Ian · 24th April 2006, 04:12 AM

Probably brass, perhaps with more copper than usual.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by panday

Rick,

Yes Rick, that's an inlay, not sure what type of metal though, I was gonna say silver, but it's kind of reddish yellow, any idea?

kai · 27th April 2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by panday

Yes Rick, that's an inlay, not sure what type of metal though, I was gonna say silver, but it's kind of reddish yellow, any idea?

Hello Panday,

I'm pretty sure that's really silver (alloy). I've seen this kind of yellowish "patina" with several blades (probably all etched with fruits) - one example would be this inlayed kris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1243 (the uncleaned inlay looked even more brownish/dark-yellowish than the pics shown).

Regards,
Kai

panday · 27th April 2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kai

Hello Panday,

I'm pretty sure that's really silver (alloy). I've seen this kind of yellowish "patina" with several blades (probably all etched with fruits) - one example would be this inlayed kris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1243 (the uncleaned inlay looked even more brownish/dark-yellowish than the pics shown).

Regards,
Kai

You're probably right Kai, I just finished comparing the tone of your Krises inlay to my spearhead's, they're about thesame.

Thanks,
panday

panday · 27th April 2006, 06:18 AM

Btw Kai, how did that restoration on that Kris came out, can you post photos pls.

Thanks,
panday

Battara · 27th April 2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Hello Panday,

I'm pretty sure that's really silver (alloy). I've seen this kind of yellowish "patina" with several blades (probably all etched with fruits) - one example would be this inlayed kris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1243 (the uncleaned inlay looked even more brownish/dark-yellowish than the pics shown).

Regards,
Kai

Kai, you make a good point. Especially if the copper content is high, like in coin silver (80% silver 20% copper) or lower, the patina/tarnish can look yellow or even brown versus the usual black for sterling (92% silver 8% copper) or higher.

Battara · 27th April 2006, 06:35 PM

Oh yes, and just for the halibut (

) here is another spear head that I have mounted with my armour:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1963

kai · 27th April 2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Kai, you make a good point. Especially if the copper content is high, like in coin silver (80% silver 20% copper) or lower, the patina/tarnish can look yellow or even brown versus the usual black for sterling (92% silver 8% copper) or higher.

Hello Battara,

Yes, coin silver would be always readily available. Silver on the hilts seem to be often close to sterling silver whereas of the small sample of inlayed blades which I saw most seemed to be coin silver.

Are that differences in the silver alloy which lend themselves to different applications or are other factors like many inlays older than silver fittings on an average kris, etc. of greater importance?

panday · 26th April 2006, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Beautiful puppy Panday. Possibly an early budiak?

Thanks Battara, this puppy will be paying you a visit soon

Battara · 27th April 2006, 06:30 PM

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Thanks Battara, this puppy will be paying you a visit soon

OH BOY, OH BOY, OH BOY!....

Rick · 23rd April 2006, 08:47 PM

Here you go Steve ,
The buttcap I added to ; originally this spear came with the two dark metal sleeves you see in the picture . The end of the spear had been drilled to accept a butt spike which was missing . I got lucky and found one on ebay made from brass ; to completely cap the end I bought a vintage brass 10 Ga. shotgun shell and drilled out the center ; the shell just fit under the original sleeves and the spike then went into the hole drilled through the shell casing .
It seemed to me a nice way to finish off an obviously incomplete end for the spear ; all pieces are vintage and could have been found in the Philippines in the 19th C. making it within the realm of plausibility as a treatment for this spear .

The ferrule is a casting and would require either a talented machinist to fabricate from brass stock or would need to be made out of jeweler's wax and fabricated with the lost wax casting method .

This budiak also has a waisted haft that swells at either end where it meets the fittings .

23rd April 2006, 10:05 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi Ferg Here are two from my collection.The smaller one may help you with your rehafting project. Good Luck Lew Attached Images

27th April 2006, 06:35 PM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Oh yes, and just for the halibut ( ) here is another spear head that I have mounted with my armour: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1963 Attached Images Last edited by Battara; 27th April 2006 at 06:49 PM.

23rd April 2006, 08:47 PM	#17
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	Too Much Work For A Sunday Here you go Steve , The buttcap I added to ; originally this spear came with the two dark metal sleeves you see in the picture . The end of the spear had been drilled to accept a butt spike which was missing . I got lucky and found one on ebay made from brass ; to completely cap the end I bought a vintage brass 10 Ga. shotgun shell and drilled out the center ; the shell just fit under the original sleeves and the spike then went into the hole drilled through the shell casing . It seemed to me a nice way to finish off an obviously incomplete end for the spear ; all pieces are vintage and could have been found in the Philippines in the 19th C. making it within the realm of plausibility as a treatment for this spear . The ferrule is a casting and would require either a talented machinist to fabricate from brass stock or would need to be made out of jeweler's wax and fabricated with the lost wax casting method . This budiak also has a waisted haft that swells at either end where it meets the fittings .

23rd April 2006, 07:23 PM	#1
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Rick, if it's not too much trouble, could you please post pics of the ferrule and the tailpiece? I was toying with the idea of mounting mine and would like to know what the ferrule looks like. Thanks! Steve Edit: That is gorgeous! And Panday, thanks for the picture of your very nice piece.

23rd April 2006, 08:30 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Beautiful puppy Panday. Possibly an early budiak?

23rd April 2006, 09:38 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	Mmmmmmmm .. Suassa . Really a beautiful point Panday !

24th April 2006, 02:50 AM	#7
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Nice inlay Panday. Lew and Rick thanks! Those pictures are just what I needed. Steve

27th April 2006, 06:18 AM	#11
panday Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	Btw Kai, how did that restoration on that Kris came out, can you post photos pls. Thanks, panday