Ottoman kilij blade with ( Kufic) calligraphy, syrian presentation case ?

[YataganMan]

What this is ,is a cheap newly made syrian imitation of an ottoman blade, floating in numbers in istanbul going for about 100 -150 us dollars.The overlay is not ottoman but again simply a degenerated copy of kufic work which is difficult to translate.The shape of blade
its size ,possibly its weight and the ornementation are all wrong.Sorry to be sounding very negative but Id let the buyer beaware (cveat emptor )
Regards
Yataganman

[francantolin]

Originally Posted by YataganMan

What this is ,is a cheap newly made syrian imitation of an ottoman blade, floating in numbers in istanbul going for about 100 -150 us dollars.The overlay is not ottoman but again simply a degenerated copy of kufic work which is difficult to translate.The shape of blade
its size ,possibly its weight and the ornementation are all wrong.Sorry to be sounding very negative but Id let the buyer beaware (cveat emptor )
Regards
Yataganman

Hello,
I find the quality of this blade quite good, ( flexible-but not that much)
the engravings are really well made, not cheap touristic work

If they are like this one, 150 $ is a really good price !
have you got a picture of these swords to compare please ?

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by YataganMan

What this is ,is a cheap newly made syrian imitation of an ottoman blade, floating in numbers in istanbul going for about 100 -150 us dollars.The overlay is not ottoman but again simply a degenerated copy of kufic work which is difficult to translate.The shape of blade
its size ,possibly its weight and the ornementation are all wrong.Sorry to be sounding very negative but Id let the buyer beaware (cveat emptor )
Regards
Yataganman

Well, last images do show a tight wootz pattern. I know the swords you are talking about, this one is not one of them.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by YataganMan

What this is ,is a cheap newly made syrian imitation of an ottoman blade, floating in numbers in istanbul going for about 100 -150 us dollars.The overlay is not ottoman but again simply a degenerated copy of kufic work which is difficult to translate.The shape of blade
its size ,possibly its weight and the ornementation are all wrong.Sorry to be sounding very negative but Id let the buyer beaware (cveat emptor )
Regards
Yataganman

Yata is absolutely right, this blade is absolutely crap.
I was thinking that the rules are we can't talk about something for sale...
I suspect that no dealer on the forum will buy this sword so the rules can be transpassed...

[francantolin]

So, the blade,
polished and etched a little.

Not that bad for a scrap tourist blade isn't it !?!!!

Can someone help for exact origin and age,
would be fair !

Kind regards

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by francantolin

So, the blade,
polished and etched a little.

Not that bad for a scrap tourist blade isn't it !?!!!

Can someone help for exact origin and age,
would be fair !

Kind regards

Well done! could etch even better. Pattern looks Persian? I am no expert in identifying patterns but definitely well made. Inscriptions are odd. If you can send better photos I will try to read. Email them to me (check private messages)

[ariel]

Well , if similar blades are sold in Istanbul for $200 apiece, I am buying a ticket there and bring a thick wad of cash and a big trunk to fit as many of those fakes as I can find.
Our Turkish colleagues seem to have very high opinion of their compatriot bladesmiths’ skills and unjustifiably low opinion on their financial acumen:-))))))

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by ariel

Well , if similar blades are sold in Istanbul for $200 apiece, I am buying a ticket there and bring a thick wad of cash and a big trunk to fit as many of those fakes as I can find.
Our Turkish colleagues seem to have very high opinion of their compatriot bladesmiths’ skills and unjustifiably low opinion on their financial acumen:-))))))

I understand and know the type of swords that are confused with this blade. Still, the declaration that this blade is "crap" was bewildering. Obviously this sword has been in the hands of a restorer who made the poorly fitted tang, but the gold work and the blade shape is not what the Syrians currently make.

Speaking of the gold work... looks to be good old work?

[ariel]

Yea, I know exactly the kind what you think. My guess , they are made in Syria and sold thru Turkey: mail service in Damascus over the past several years left much to be desired.

[ALEX]

Originally Posted by francantolin

So, the blade,
polished and etched a little.

Not that bad for a scrap tourist blade isn't it !?!!!

Can someone help for exact origin and age,
would be fair !

Kind regards

Not bad at all !!! Good job etching!
I was also surprised by some negative comments on this blade. It is not to be confused with modern blades from Istanbul, other markets and on-line, it is nothing like. It is of crucible steel, the writing is unusual but in true inlay and of good quality, the box is also fine. The blade looks to be 19thC, probably Persian or Syrian (I'd say Syrian, as the box is Syrian, as other items it came with). Can be restored nicely by adding proper crossguard and hilt.