Mandau, it's not! What is it??

[asomotif]

Good evening,

I found another example. But with much older coins….

http://www.bigyellowbird.nl/super-rare-sword/

This collector is also searching for more info on this "super rare sword".

The handle has the super brown and warm patina that should start anyones suspicion.
The odd side knife shows clear hacksaw marks.


One question ?
Why are we paying any attention to coins that are glued on a scabbard ?
I can add some roman coins to a scabbard. would that suggest early roman influence on Borneo ?
Sorry, get realistic. coins are nice, but in a lot of cases are used to fool you.

Best regards,
Willem

[A. G. Maisey]

Detlef, sorry for my delayed response, I'd forgotten this thread and my comment.

Cricket is very popular in the West Indies, not so popular in the East Indies.

Perhaps the coins might be East Indian?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Detlef, sorry for my delayed response, I'd forgotten this thread and my comment.

Cricket is very popular in the West Indies, not so popular in the East Indies.

Perhaps the coins might be East Indian?

Hello Alan,

Henk was correct, I know next to nothing about cricket. Still need to see better pictures from the coins but I think that Amuk is on the correct path.

Regards,
Detlef

[Albert]

In the collection of the Dallas Museum of Art is a similar sword.
See one of the photos on https://www.artoftheancestors.com/borneo.
Unfortunately, I don't have any additional information on this sword, not even an inventory number.

[Ian]

Hello Albert. Always good to hear from you and thanks for the link. Here is the sword that you referred to. A very nice example of the style.



Ian.


.

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Ian

Hello Albert. Always good to hear from you and thanks for the link. Here is the sword that you referred to. A very nice example of the style.

Ian.
.

Dear Ian,

Is there a link to more info regarding provenance / age / where collected ?

Best regards,
Willem

[Ian]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Dear Ian,

Is there a link to more info regarding provenance / age / where collected ?

Best regards,
Willem

Unfortunately not. There is nothing to describe this sword on the site that Albert referenced.
Ian.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by asomotif

I found another example. But with much older coins….

http://www.bigyellowbird.nl/super-rare-sword/

This collector is also searching for more info on this "super rare sword".

The handle has the super brown and warm patina that should start anyones suspicion.
The odd side knife shows clear hacksaw marks.

Hello Willem,

Thank you for posting the link. This seems to confirm that there are real antique examples in collections. Would be interesting to know a little bit more about the shown example. Do you have informed the collector about this thread?

Originally Posted by asomotif

One question ?
Why are we paying any attention to coins that are glued on a scabbard ?
I can add some roman coins to a scabbard. would that suggest early roman influence on Borneo ?
Sorry, get realistic. coins are nice, but in a lot of cases are used to fool you.

I don't pay much attention to added coins by ethnograhic weapons but in this case (by my example) I think that it confirm that it is at oldest from this date when not younger. It has arrived at destination and the description I get seem to confirm a relative recent manufacture. But you are correct with your statement.

Regards,
Detlef

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Willem,

Thank you for posting the link. This seems to confirm that there are real antique examples in collections.

Sorry, but the overall brown patina on this example is not my idea of "real antique"
Same goes for the hacksaw markings.

I am going to leave this discussion now.

Best regards,
Willem

[kai]

Hello Willem,

I assume that Detlef refers to AM’s linked thread rather than the pics hosted on the other linked site. AM’s pic does not show much detail but seems to be a younger example by his own definition?

Any really old example available - pics, anyone?

Regards,
Kai

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by kai

I assume that Detlef refers to AM’s linked thread rather than the pics hosted on the other linked site.

No, Detlef refers to the link was given from Willem. But he have seen it only on his smartphone and don't look again to the sword on a pc screen again and and have overlooked the ironic comment from Willem and may have been still under shock from a heavy car accident he have had a few days before. Sorry about any confusion! Of course he agree complete with Willem!