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A. G. Maisey · 25th March 2019, 08:32 PM

Area of origin is Tegal.

I do not know the name applied to this wrongko by the people who used to wear this style, in Solo I have heard a number of people refer to it as "Teratai", "teratai" means "lotus/water lily", it is Malay/BI, rather than Basa Jawa, so "teratai" is likely to be a dealers' name or collectors' name rather than the name used by the people who made it or wore it --- something like our previous "caping/capil".

The hilt is a stylised Ganesha.

Tegal is located in North West Jawa Tengah, near Pekalongan.

Jean · 25th March 2019, 09:25 PM

Among European collectors this style of wrongko is said to have "hanging ears" on the sides.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 25th March 2019, 09:43 PM

Yeah, well I guess it has got hanging ears, so there's another option for a collector's name:- "wrongko kuping gantung".

David · 25th March 2019, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yeah, well I guess it has got hanging ears, so there's another option for a collector's name:- "wrongko kuping gantung".

I am still curious, however, if you know if such a wrongko would have been suitable for formal dress or was is more for every day wear?

Sajen · 25th March 2019, 11:34 PM

Hello Alan,

Kuping gantung is a nice name for this wrongko style!

David,

I only can guess but the few I've handled have looked as they have been for every day wear.

A. G. Maisey · 26th March 2019, 02:00 AM

David, I've never been to Tegal and I do not know anybody who is keris literate who comes from there, so I am not able to provide a valid opinion. However, based upon the fact that the style of this wrongko is low and rather durable, I would guess that it is the Tegal equivalent of a gayaman.

Detlef --- remember where you heard it first when somebody tries to sell you one.

Green · 26th March 2019, 12:45 PM

It's interesting to note that Mr Maisey is very reluctant to show the blade. I wonder why that is? would love to hear an honest explanation.

I'm from a keris culture in the state of Kelantan Malaysia. Admittedly I'm a relative novice in kerisology but in my area, there is only one major reason why people sometimes don't want to show their keris blades... it's is primarily because they feel rather reluctant because they fear people will not think their blade is of good enough quality. And keris people are very very sensitive to criticism of their keris, esp heirloom keris. Much like it is not good form to criticize the look of someone's babies.

But I don't feel Mr Maisey's reason is related to the quality of blades as we all know he is very very experienced and a recognized expert in keris, particularly Javanese kerises. So, pardon my rather basic question but would be happy to understand the reasons why. (I am not at all familiar with Indonesian keris culture so I may have missed something about 'showing the blades' )

25th March 2019, 08:32 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Area of origin is Tegal. I do not know the name applied to this wrongko by the people who used to wear this style, in Solo I have heard a number of people refer to it as "Teratai", "teratai" means "lotus/water lily", it is Malay/BI, rather than Basa Jawa, so "teratai" is likely to be a dealers' name or collectors' name rather than the name used by the people who made it or wore it --- something like our previous "caping/capil". The hilt is a stylised Ganesha. Tegal is located in North West Jawa Tengah, near Pekalongan.

25th March 2019, 09:25 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Among European collectors this style of wrongko is said to have "hanging ears" on the sides. Regards

25th March 2019, 09:43 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yeah, well I guess it has got hanging ears, so there's another option for a collector's name:- "wrongko kuping gantung".

25th March 2019, 11:34 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Alan, Kuping gantung is a nice name for this wrongko style! David, I only can guess but the few I've handled have looked as they have been for every day wear.

26th March 2019, 02:00 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	David, I've never been to Tegal and I do not know anybody who is keris literate who comes from there, so I am not able to provide a valid opinion. However, based upon the fact that the style of this wrongko is low and rather durable, I would guess that it is the Tegal equivalent of a gayaman. Detlef --- remember where you heard it first when somebody tries to sell you one.

26th March 2019, 12:45 PM	#7
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 321	It's interesting to note that Mr Maisey is very reluctant to show the blade. I wonder why that is? would love to hear an honest explanation. I'm from a keris culture in the state of Kelantan Malaysia. Admittedly I'm a relative novice in kerisology but in my area, there is only one major reason why people sometimes don't want to show their keris blades... it's is primarily because they feel rather reluctant because they fear people will not think their blade is of good enough quality. And keris people are very very sensitive to criticism of their keris, esp heirloom keris. Much like it is not good form to criticize the look of someone's babies. But I don't feel Mr Maisey's reason is related to the quality of blades as we all know he is very very experienced and a recognized expert in keris, particularly Javanese kerises. So, pardon my rather basic question but would be happy to understand the reasons why. (I am not at all familiar with Indonesian keris culture so I may have missed something about 'showing the blades' )