Dating Earliest Barrels: the Importance of the Position of the Touch Hole

Marcus den toom · 21st March 2019, 08:17 PM

As i like to raise this thread from its depts from now and than, i present this (for me) unknown hand cannon, dated! 1485 (?)
If anyone has better pictures of this piece and its whereabouts i would be greatfull.

Auction description:
A Rare Wrought-Iron Hand-Cannon
Possibly 15th Century
Of waisted cylindrical form reinforced at the muzzle and breech, the former struck with a mark between the date 1485 and inscribed 'INII' above, the latter with recessed touch-hole with remains of lead lining, the mid section inscribed 'Taufers' and numbered '16' (rust patinated overall)
24 cm. high, 4.3 cm. bore
FOOTNOTES
Provenance:
Acquired in Basel, 1960

The inscription presumably refers to Schloss Taufers which is located in the South Tyrol

ariel · 23rd March 2019, 07:41 AM

INII likely stands for Iesus Nazorenus (I...?) Iudaeorum, i.e. “Jesus of Nazareth ( ?) of the Jews”.
Usually , it was INRI, with R meaning Rex, i.e. King.
I do not know what “I” means.

ariel · 23rd March 2019, 10:13 AM

Sorry, double post.

corrado26 · 23rd March 2019, 10:40 AM

Could it be "JESUS NAZARENUS IMPERATOR JUDAEORORUM"

fernando · 23rd March 2019, 12:32 PM

Or if these initials mean something totally different ?

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Beautiful cannon ... by the way, Marcus

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Spiridonov · 16th May 2019, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

recessed touch-hole with remains of lead liningl

It does not looks like lining. I seems that it's just bigger hole of sleeve pressed on the rear side of the barrel

fernando · 16th May 2019, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiridonov

It does not looks like lining. I seems that it's just bigger hole of sleeve pressed on the rear side of the barrel

Yes, it does look like that indeed, Alexander.

21st March 2019, 08:17 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	As i like to raise this thread from its depts from now and than, i present this (for me) unknown hand cannon, dated! 1485 (?) If anyone has better pictures of this piece and its whereabouts i would be greatfull. Auction description: A Rare Wrought-Iron Hand-Cannon Possibly 15th Century Of waisted cylindrical form reinforced at the muzzle and breech, the former struck with a mark between the date 1485 and inscribed 'INII' above, the latter with recessed touch-hole with remains of lead lining, the mid section inscribed 'Taufers' and numbered '16' (rust patinated overall) 24 cm. high, 4.3 cm. bore FOOTNOTES Provenance: Acquired in Basel, 1960 The inscription presumably refers to Schloss Taufers which is located in the South Tyrol Attached Images

23rd March 2019, 12:32 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Or if these initials mean something totally different ? . Beautiful cannon ... by the way, Marcus . . Last edited by fernando; 23rd March 2019 at 01:27 PM.

23rd March 2019, 07:41 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	INII likely stands for Iesus Nazorenus (I...?) Iudaeorum, i.e. “Jesus of Nazareth ( ?) of the Jews”. Usually , it was INRI, with R meaning Rex, i.e. King. I do not know what “I” means.

23rd March 2019, 10:13 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Sorry, double post.

23rd March 2019, 10:40 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	Could it be "JESUS NAZARENUS IMPERATOR JUDAEORORUM"