Miquelet Lock Pistol end 17th c

rickystl · 1st February 2019, 03:18 PM

OK. Thanks Fernando K. I should have thought of this.

Rick

fernando · 1st February 2019, 08:06 PM

Fernando K has a lot of knowledge of these things ... and a sharp eye

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rickystl · 3rd February 2019, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Fernando K has a lot of knowledge of these things ... and a sharp eye

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Much agreed !!

Rick

AHorsa · 4th February 2019, 11:09 AM

Hey there,

indeed it is just two screws. I was wondering for what that third "rivet" is for. Thanks for the clrification that it was part of the belt hook!

Cheerio
Andreas

AHorsa · 17th March 2021, 06:02 PM

Hi All

I meanwhile found the time to replace one of the two missing rod-holder. I used an iron tube, put it in a stand driller and forged it with a file. What is still missing now is the second (and I worry much more complicate to produce) rod holder as well as one of the screws from the lock plate.

I would very much appreciate if

- someone can post a good quality example image of such a "rod holder". Even if I am not sure if I can manage to reproduce.

- and if someone has an idea where I can get such a coatless iron screw with a round head. It must be M4 (4mm) x 35mm (or longer). I found one 30mm long (see link), but that would mean to add another 5mm... Maybe one of you has an idea or has one as a spare part. I would be very happy.

Kind regards
Andreas

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Halbrundkopf...2c62%7Ciid%3A9

Fernando K · 17th March 2021, 08:58 PM

Hello

I do not know if I will give myself to understand, because English is not my language

I think the first thing you should do is know how big the missing screw is. I mean that you must find out the diameter and pitch of the screw, checking the threaded part of the holes in the lock Example [: 5 mm metric screw. by a step of 0.8mm.)

As at that time the diameters and steps were not standardized, it is a bit difficult to get a copy, but it would be necessary to try with numerous screws (metric or Withwort) until obtaining one that threads. Knowing this, it is easy for a turner to modify an existing screw, or to manufacture one from scratch, modifying the hexagonal head to round, according to the surviving example.

Affectionately

AHorsa · 17th March 2021, 09:54 PM

Hi Fernando,

thanks for your comment! It´s a good idea to modify a hexagonal head!
Actually the diameter of the whole is 3,5mm. So there must be some alterations anyway. The head´s diameter of the surviving example is 8mm. Sadly a 4mm-screw´s head is 7mm. So I guess a way would be: Taking a 5mm screw with hexagonal head (8mm diameter), altering the head and the shaft and adapt the thread (or let a turner do this, which might be more fruitful

)

Kind regards
Andreas

17th March 2021, 06:02 PM	#5
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Hi All I meanwhile found the time to replace one of the two missing rod-holder. I used an iron tube, put it in a stand driller and forged it with a file. What is still missing now is the second (and I worry much more complicate to produce) rod holder as well as one of the screws from the lock plate. I would very much appreciate if - someone can post a good quality example image of such a "rod holder". Even if I am not sure if I can manage to reproduce. - and if someone has an idea where I can get such a coatless iron screw with a round head. It must be M4 (4mm) x 35mm (or longer). I found one 30mm long (see link), but that would mean to add another 5mm... Maybe one of you has an idea or has one as a spare part. I would be very happy. Kind regards Andreas https://www.ebay.de/itm/Halbrundkopf...2c62%7Ciid%3A9 Attached Images

1st February 2019, 03:18 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	OK. Thanks Fernando K. I should have thought of this. Rick

1st February 2019, 08:06 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fernando K has a lot of knowledge of these things ... and a sharp eye .

4th February 2019, 11:09 AM	#4
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Hey there, indeed it is just two screws. I was wondering for what that third "rivet" is for. Thanks for the clrification that it was part of the belt hook! Cheerio Andreas

17th March 2021, 08:58 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello I do not know if I will give myself to understand, because English is not my language I think the first thing you should do is know how big the missing screw is. I mean that you must find out the diameter and pitch of the screw, checking the threaded part of the holes in the lock Example [: 5 mm metric screw. by a step of 0.8mm.) As at that time the diameters and steps were not standardized, it is a bit difficult to get a copy, but it would be necessary to try with numerous screws (metric or Withwort) until obtaining one that threads. Knowing this, it is easy for a turner to modify an existing screw, or to manufacture one from scratch, modifying the hexagonal head to round, according to the surviving example. Affectionately

17th March 2021, 09:54 PM	#7
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Hi Fernando, thanks for your comment! It´s a good idea to modify a hexagonal head! Actually the diameter of the whole is 3,5mm. So there must be some alterations anyway. The head´s diameter of the surviving example is 8mm. Sadly a 4mm-screw´s head is 7mm. So I guess a way would be: Taking a 5mm screw with hexagonal head (8mm diameter), altering the head and the shaft and adapt the thread (or let a turner do this, which might be more fruitful ) Kind regards Andreas