Unidentified pistol

fernando · 14th January 2019, 01:50 PM

Udo is right. The parallel recess would lodge whatever system in a way that it could not swing.
And the fact that, if this pistol was hanging down a belt or a bandolier by means of a hook or a ring, would cause the ramrod to easily fall off, well, such would fall off in any case, as the pistol would never be kept by whatever method with its barrel upright. The remedy for this contingency was to build the rod thick enough to get firmly stuck into the stock pipe.
I know of systems where the ramrod had a protuberance that would be caught by a little steel dent in the stock.
And back to this pistol model, allow me to be stuck up with the French influence idea. Here is a confrontation between Udo's example and the French Cavalry an IX (Full details HERE).
... Don't tell me there are no several similarities. Probably this is about a civilian version or a contract, including variations like the hanging device ?

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corrado26 · 14th January 2019, 04:33 PM

I found nearly the same pistol in the collection of Dutch pistols of Robert E. Brooker in the U.S.
The only thing that is missing is the belt hook device. It also shows what he describes as intertwined Cs what I think is the VOC mark. The barrel ring and the style of the butt is absolutely the same.
By the way, this type of pistol has nothing to do with the French M an 9 - the differences are too numerous.
Brookers dating of this pistol with 1815 is much too late
corrado26

kai · 14th January 2019, 05:38 PM

Hello Udo,

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It also shows what he describes as intertwined Cs what I think is the VOC mark.

Even considering that genuine VOC marks do show quite a bit of variation, this most likely isn't one: While any mark might arguably be tough to struck neatly on a round barrel, the left letter's lower "arm" clearly stops rather than fading out; thus, this can be an "inverted" C but not an O which would be needed on the left (of the V)...

Also the additional vestigial smaller "features" just don't line up with any VOC mark I've come across.

For the time being, I'd go with Brooker's "intertwined Cs" hypothesis. Any close-up of his example?

Regards,
Kai

14th January 2019, 01:50 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Udo is right. The parallel recess would lodge whatever system in a way that it could not swing. And the fact that, if this pistol was hanging down a belt or a bandolier by means of a hook or a ring, would cause the ramrod to easily fall off, well, such would fall off in any case, as the pistol would never be kept by whatever method with its barrel upright. The remedy for this contingency was to build the rod thick enough to get firmly stuck into the stock pipe. I know of systems where the ramrod had a protuberance that would be caught by a little steel dent in the stock. And back to this pistol model, allow me to be stuck up with the French influence idea. Here is a confrontation between Udo's example and the French Cavalry an IX (Full details HERE). ... Don't tell me there are no several similarities. Probably this is about a civilian version or a contract, including variations like the hanging device ? . Attached Images

14th January 2019, 04:33 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	I found nearly the same pistol in the collection of Dutch pistols of Robert E. Brooker in the U.S. The only thing that is missing is the belt hook device. It also shows what he describes as intertwined Cs what I think is the VOC mark. The barrel ring and the style of the butt is absolutely the same. By the way, this type of pistol has nothing to do with the French M an 9 - the differences are too numerous. Brookers dating of this pistol with 1815 is much too late corrado26 Attached Images