A powder horn ... unusual ?

fernando · 13th January 2019, 05:32 PM

Thank you Rick,
I don't think there is more than one powder horn maker enjoying the assembling of dual sets for wedding gifts

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... As to say there must be a reason for this 'bivalent' device to have been made. Let me have it back and check thoroughly whether there are any differentiation marks and if the two horns communicate with each other.
I am not a shooter, but i think of different gun powders for different types of load; implausible ?

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rickystl · 13th January 2019, 06:16 PM

Hi Fernando

While most contemporary shooters today use seperate powders for the barrel and priming (for flint guns), carried in seperate horns (the priming horn being much smaller) most historical evidence from the period seems to indicate the common use of just one powder in one horn/flask.
So I can't visulize a practicle reason for the two functioning spouts, except maybe a novel way to carry a largeer quantity of powder.
It would be interesting to take a piece of wire or similar and see if both horns are hollowed through, or is there an internal divider at the middle essentially making it two seperate horns.

Rick

fernando · 13th January 2019, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rickystl

... While most contemporary shooters today use seperate powders for the barrel and priming (for flint guns), carried in seperate horns (the priming horn being much smaller) most historical evidence from the period seems to indicate the common use of just one powder in one horn/flask...

Well i am not a shooter but i was (army, guerilla war and all that jazz).
... And while an antique weapons collector, i believe a couple of my powder flasks/horns are primers. But i believe that in this context such was not the case.

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Originally Posted by rickystl

... So I can't visulize a practicle reason for the two functioning spouts, except maybe a novel way to carry a largeer quantity of powder...

Could well be but, why not carrying a larger 'mono' spout horn, like all other humans ?

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Originally Posted by rickystl

It would be interesting to take a piece of wire or similar and see if both horns are hollowed through, or is there an internal divider at the middle essentially making it two seperate horns.

That's precisely what i intend to do when i get it back from someone's attempt to replace one missing spout spring.

kahnjar1 · 13th January 2019, 06:56 PM

The answer is simple...it was made for someone with double vision

rickystl · 13th January 2019, 07:56 PM

Hi Stu.

Yes. There's your answer. LOL

If there is a divider between the two horns, then one could speculate that it would be used to carry a larger quantity of powder in one horn without the clumsey banging around of two medium sized horns or one of those extra large horns. Once the one horn was empty, you would just turn it around on your shoulder and start with another full horn. LOL Just a guess.

But, if the horn is hollow through, I don't know.

Rick

fernando · 14th January 2019, 02:54 PM

Well folks, the powder horn is back with a new spring, a work as good as it could be.
Maybe what i now found out answers some (all?) questions.
The horns are indeed divided my the middle, not one deeper than the other. And, importantly, the hanging rings are placed in a way that, the device does not bend down when hung but ergonomically around the trunk, so that the position of either end is not arbitrary but forcingly with a determined front and back meaning that, whatever is filled in each container always has the same relative position. So, considering that horns did not have measuring devices in their spouts, it is possible to fill one side with gunpowder and the other with small shot, to pour out in a free flow, doses by estimation. And the user would hardly confuse them as, whatever he wanted to fill in each one, is always in the same side.
No need to tell me i am brilliant; i know i am

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rickystl · 15th January 2019, 04:51 PM

Hi Fernando

Now that is interesting. And it makes sense. We are use to seeing small shot carried in various leather shot pouches. But there is no reason this double sided horn would not perform the same function with the convenience of a one-piece item to carry. Actually, it's rather clever. Never seen another like it.
Glad you could get the spring repaired.

Rick

14th January 2019, 02:54 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Well folks, the powder horn is back with a new spring, a work as good as it could be. Maybe what i now found out answers some (all?) questions. The horns are indeed divided my the middle, not one deeper than the other. And, importantly, the hanging rings are placed in a way that, the device does not bend down when hung but ergonomically around the trunk, so that the position of either end is not arbitrary but forcingly with a determined front and back meaning that, whatever is filled in each container always has the same relative position. So, considering that horns did not have measuring devices in their spouts, it is possible to fill one side with gunpowder and the other with small shot, to pour out in a free flow, doses by estimation. And the user would hardly confuse them as, whatever he wanted to fill in each one, is always in the same side. No need to tell me i am brilliant; i know i am . . Attached Images

13th January 2019, 05:32 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Rick, I don't think there is more than one powder horn maker enjoying the assembling of dual sets for wedding gifts . ... As to say there must be a reason for this 'bivalent' device to have been made. Let me have it back and check thoroughly whether there are any differentiation marks and if the two horns communicate with each other. I am not a shooter, but i think of different gun powders for different types of load; implausible ? .

13th January 2019, 06:16 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Fernando While most contemporary shooters today use seperate powders for the barrel and priming (for flint guns), carried in seperate horns (the priming horn being much smaller) most historical evidence from the period seems to indicate the common use of just one powder in one horn/flask. So I can't visulize a practicle reason for the two functioning spouts, except maybe a novel way to carry a largeer quantity of powder. It would be interesting to take a piece of wire or similar and see if both horns are hollowed through, or is there an internal divider at the middle essentially making it two seperate horns. Rick

13th January 2019, 06:56 PM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	The answer is simple...it was made for someone with double vision

13th January 2019, 07:56 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Stu. Yes. There's your answer. LOL If there is a divider between the two horns, then one could speculate that it would be used to carry a larger quantity of powder in one horn without the clumsey banging around of two medium sized horns or one of those extra large horns. Once the one horn was empty, you would just turn it around on your shoulder and start with another full horn. LOL Just a guess. But, if the horn is hollow through, I don't know. Rick

15th January 2019, 04:51 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Fernando Now that is interesting. And it makes sense. We are use to seeing small shot carried in various leather shot pouches. But there is no reason this double sided horn would not perform the same function with the convenience of a one-piece item to carry. Actually, it's rather clever. Never seen another like it. Glad you could get the spring repaired. Rick