Bugis keris :Owned by or a gift to Makassar walikota 1967 ?

A. G. Maisey · 18th October 2018, 05:00 AM

Yes, understood David.

I admit, I do have a fault in that when somebody asks a question, or answers a question I tend to automatically take that literally. Probably something to do with what I have done for most of my life to earn a living, regrettably it can be quite difficult to take suppositions into a board room, or a court of law.

Another reason for the way in which I responded is that I knew the answers, I knew the acronyms, I'd read about the Singapore merchant, so I did not have the advantage of having Dr. Google behind me, and actually right at the moment, I didn't have time to consult him.

David · 18th October 2018, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, understood David.

I admit, I do have a fault in that when somebody asks a question, or answers a question I tend to automatically take that literally. Probably something to do with what I have done for most of my life to earn a living, regrettably it can be quite difficult to take suppositions into a board room, or a court of law.

Another reason for the way in which I responded is that I knew the answers, I knew the acronyms, I'd read about the Singapore merchant, so I did not have the advantage of having Dr. Google behind me, and actually right at the moment, I didn't have time to consult him.

Yes, Dr. Google can be an amazing tool for finding answers...except when he is not. LOL!

Green · 18th October 2018, 11:52 PM

David;

Absolutely true that English is not my native /first language ,although i sometimes imagine that mine is almost as good as Nabokov's (just joking!)...I did mean exactly what I asked... "what" is patompo because i thought it might mean something other than a person's name. I should probably be more precise and rephrased it as "who or what is patompo" etc.

Many thanks for that link and your explanation. That thesis looks very interesting. I hope it is ok for me to download and make it into a hardcopy.

Alan;

Also; many thanks for your excellent response as usual. The explanation on the name is also very fascinating. Was he (Patompo the rich Bugis living in Singapore in the early 20th century) the same as the Walikota mentioned by David, do you think?

A question that is still not answered is , is this keris a gift to this gentleman Haji Daeng Muhammad Patompo (walikota?) or one originally belonged to him.

My feeling is, since he seemed to be a very wealthy person (as Alan pointed) and an important man (Walikota) as David indicated, it most likely be a gift as the keris is nothing very special or ornate enough for a person of his stature.

It would be good if someone would suggest what kind of likely situation this kind of gifts was given, as I'm completely ignorant on Sulawesi Bugis culture.

I guess I can ask the seller but I don't think I can get much info and furthermore I value opinions of the keris lovers/experts in this forum.

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2018, 01:27 AM

I'm pretty vacant on Bugis/Sulawesi too, so I'm not in any position to give opinions on the why and the wherefore.

However, my memory is that my Patompo moved to a better place in the early 20th century, maybe around 1920. This is all only memory, I read a magazine article on a plane a few years back, and like a lot of useless knowledge, it just stuck. Maybe the people who are good with google could find out if my Patompo and David's Patompo and the mayor were all the same person.

Or maybe its a "John Smith" situation.

18th October 2018, 05:00 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes, understood David. I admit, I do have a fault in that when somebody asks a question, or answers a question I tend to automatically take that literally. Probably something to do with what I have done for most of my life to earn a living, regrettably it can be quite difficult to take suppositions into a board room, or a court of law. Another reason for the way in which I responded is that I knew the answers, I knew the acronyms, I'd read about the Singapore merchant, so I did not have the advantage of having Dr. Google behind me, and actually right at the moment, I didn't have time to consult him.

18th October 2018, 11:52 PM	#3
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 321	David; Absolutely true that English is not my native /first language ,although i sometimes imagine that mine is almost as good as Nabokov's (just joking!)...I did mean exactly what I asked... "what" is patompo because i thought it might mean something other than a person's name. I should probably be more precise and rephrased it as "who or what is patompo" etc. Many thanks for that link and your explanation. That thesis looks very interesting. I hope it is ok for me to download and make it into a hardcopy. Alan; Also; many thanks for your excellent response as usual. The explanation on the name is also very fascinating. Was he (Patompo the rich Bugis living in Singapore in the early 20th century) the same as the Walikota mentioned by David, do you think? A question that is still not answered is , is this keris a gift to this gentleman Haji Daeng Muhammad Patompo (walikota?) or one originally belonged to him. My feeling is, since he seemed to be a very wealthy person (as Alan pointed) and an important man (Walikota) as David indicated, it most likely be a gift as the keris is nothing very special or ornate enough for a person of his stature. It would be good if someone would suggest what kind of likely situation this kind of gifts was given, as I'm completely ignorant on Sulawesi Bugis culture. I guess I can ask the seller but I don't think I can get much info and furthermore I value opinions of the keris lovers/experts in this forum.

19th October 2018, 01:27 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I'm pretty vacant on Bugis/Sulawesi too, so I'm not in any position to give opinions on the why and the wherefore. However, my memory is that my Patompo moved to a better place in the early 20th century, maybe around 1920. This is all only memory, I read a magazine article on a plane a few years back, and like a lot of useless knowledge, it just stuck. Maybe the people who are good with google could find out if my Patompo and David's Patompo and the mayor were all the same person. Or maybe its a "John Smith" situation.