Double barelled flintlock ottoman pistol

rickystl · 21st September 2018, 09:31 PM

Hi Eftihis: What a wonderful and interesting pistol. The lock, barrels and hardware look European made for the Ottoman market, and stocked locally somewhere in the Balkans. The lock has a roller on the frizzen, a late flintlock period feature. Usually, oddities like this are commisioned by an individual. And that's probably the case here.
Unless the tolerences/fit of both pans were very precise (where it's almost not moveable) I can't see how you would avoid the lower, secondary pan from ignighting at the same time. How this might have worked would be to prime the first pan only, and after firing the first shot moving the first pan out of the way and re-priming the second pan only. While this might take a few seconds longer, it would pre-clude an accidental discharge of the second barel. Just a guess.
In any case it's a super neat pistol.

Hi Corrado: What a great Spanish pocket/belt pistol. This seems to operate on the same principle. It just uses a slide to expose the second pan versus lifting the pan out of the way. Very clever.

Rick

Kubur · 23rd September 2018, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

it would pre-clude an accidental discharge of the second barel. Just a guess.
Rick

I agree with you Rick.
Have you seen the second hole light in the main pan?
I wonder if it was effective. I saw double pans on Moroccan guns but no hole in the main pan. It must have been done later.

Best,
Kubur

eftihis · 23rd September 2018, 08:22 PM

i found 2 videos that describe how it worked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ihecrd8E00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DLm2jW4EF4

Fernando K · 23rd September 2018, 11:23 PM

Hello everyone

The difference between these last two videos is that the first pan opens automatically after the first shot. The internal mechanism of the lock is shown. It belongs to a thread that has been uploaded in this same forum. Not so Corrado's gun. in which the second bread must be discovered by hand. We do not know its the Ottoman gun has that mechanism, because there is no image of the inside of the lock

Sorry for the translator.

Affectionately. Fernando K

21st September 2018, 09:31 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Eftihis: What a wonderful and interesting pistol. The lock, barrels and hardware look European made for the Ottoman market, and stocked locally somewhere in the Balkans. The lock has a roller on the frizzen, a late flintlock period feature. Usually, oddities like this are commisioned by an individual. And that's probably the case here. Unless the tolerences/fit of both pans were very precise (where it's almost not moveable) I can't see how you would avoid the lower, secondary pan from ignighting at the same time. How this might have worked would be to prime the first pan only, and after firing the first shot moving the first pan out of the way and re-priming the second pan only. While this might take a few seconds longer, it would pre-clude an accidental discharge of the second barel. Just a guess. In any case it's a super neat pistol. Hi Corrado: What a great Spanish pocket/belt pistol. This seems to operate on the same principle. It just uses a slide to expose the second pan versus lifting the pan out of the way. Very clever. Rick

23rd September 2018, 08:22 PM	#3
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	i found 2 videos that describe how it worked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ihecrd8E00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DLm2jW4EF4

23rd September 2018, 11:23 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello everyone The difference between these last two videos is that the first pan opens automatically after the first shot. The internal mechanism of the lock is shown. It belongs to a thread that has been uploaded in this same forum. Not so Corrado's gun. in which the second bread must be discovered by hand. We do not know its the Ottoman gun has that mechanism, because there is no image of the inside of the lock Sorry for the translator. Affectionately. Fernando K