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Old 20th September 2018, 08:18 AM   #1
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IMHO think it applies more to a creature made from dissimilar parts that should not or could not have been put together.
Not exactly. Here is Wikipedia:
"The term Chimera has come to describe any mythical or fictional animal with parts taken from various animals, or to describe anything composed of very disparate parts, or perceived as wildly imaginative, implausible, or dazzling."

This term is used in modern molecular biology: for example, hybrid genes, where regulatory region of one gene is fused with the coding region of another gene, or a single organism composed of cells with different genotypes.
The former is the cause of glucocorticoid-remediable hyperaldosteronism, a human disease causing hypertension. The latter has multiple human examples : again, Wikipedia:

-The Dutch sprinter Foekje Dillema was expelled from the 1950 national team after she refused a mandatory sex test in July 1950; later investigations revealed a Y-chromosome in her body cells, and the analysis showed that she probably was a 46,XX/46,XY mosaic female.[14]
-In 1953 a human chimera was reported in the British Medical Journal. A woman was found to have blood containing two different blood types. Apparently this resulted from her twin brother's cells living in her body.[15] A 1996 study found that such blood group chimerism is not rare.[16]
-Another report of a human chimera was published in 1998, where a male human had some partially developed female organs due to chimerism. He had been conceived by in-vitro fertilization.[3]
-In 2002, Lydia Fairchild was denied public assistance in Washington state when DNA evidence showed that she was not related to her children. A lawyer for the prosecution heard of a human chimera in New England, Karen Keegan, and suggested the possibility to the defense, who were able to show that Fairchild, too, was a chimera with two sets of DNA, and that one of those sets could have been the mother of the children.[17]
-In 2017, a human-pig chimera was reported to have been created, the chimera was also reported to have 0.001% human cells, with the balance being pig.

Chimeras are very real in biology. In the case of arm and armor they are widespread: the majority of older Indian swords have blades and handles coming from different sources ( see Elgood). Most, if not all, swords in the Topkapi collection of " Blessed Swords" are chimeric: the Ottomans put new handles on the swords taken from Mamluk armories.

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Old 20th September 2018, 09:40 AM   #2
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True, for chimaera.

I disagree that these yats were "composed of very disparate parts, or perceived as wildly imaginative, implausible"

All the parts fit the weapon and it's intended use, are not implausable, and the parts they used to rebuild the weapon were not wildy disparate in style or function, or culture. They are Not implausible, as they were not unique, a bit rare, but not unique. They were artistic, but still functional.

If they had welded the blade to a wheel lock pistol and glued a viking sword pommel to the pistol grip, THAT would be a chimaera. These are at worst, A marriage where the whole is more than just the parts.
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Old 20th September 2018, 11:52 AM   #3
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Well, OK:-)
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Old 20th September 2018, 12:00 PM   #4
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Ariel, I understand better now what you were getting at. When I first read your original reply I thought first of "mythical", then the word's second meaning being "illusion/delusion" and wondered if you were implying it was a recently constructed composite piece, which clearly it is not.

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Old 20th September 2018, 07:24 PM   #5
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I gotcha now!
Glad we understand each other.
No criticism was meant: it is a beautiful piece.
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Old 29th September 2018, 09:49 AM   #6
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Another, Infantry Sidearm, now mine, cast brass hilt, Yataghan blade 58cm. of flattened diamond x-section, unfullered, brass hand grip grooved on the outer side, smooth on inner (to same uniform wear?). Seller thinks it is Russian or possibly Hungarian. Will check for other markings when it arrives.
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