A Strangely Mounted Twistcore Yataghan

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by kronckew

They do make nice hunting swords tho.

Mine is a bit lower class:

I think it's a chassepot bayonnet...

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by Kubur

I think it's a chassepot bayonnet...

I know, as bayonets (I have one of those as well) the yataghan style was popular in many European countries in the mid to late 19c, including England. Mine is a French 1866 blade repurposed as a hunting sword. Fits the 1866 French all steel scabbard perfectly. Has it's own wood & brass one now tho.

[CharlesS]

Thanks for your input guys.

David, that is a great observation. I had completely forgotten about that "pandour" thread. We will never be able to prove it, but that makes sense.

Ariel, I am not quite sure how "chimera" fits here?

[ariel]

Originally Posted by Charles

Ariel, I am not quite sure how "chimera" fits here?

Chimera: a creature composed of different parts.

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by ariel

Chimera: a creature composed of different parts.

IMHO think it applies more to a creature made from dissimilar parts that should not or could not have been put together.

Which is not the case here, I'd say the parts that were used to repurpose the yat were done with intent and style, and do go together.

In the latter part of the 17th C., There were a lot of yats available from the Turks just lying about for the taking after their owners didn't need them any more. A few polite discussions outside Wien convinced the Turks to go home and sleep off their ambitions.

And a vast number of the Turks had been convinced to stay permanently, and they had nice holes dug for them to reside in, most leaving their weapons behind for their Christian hosts who had admired them.

They, of course, converted them to better fit in with their own methodology and arts. More a marriage made in heaven, as a vast flock of Winged beings had descended from out of nowhere to assist the Wieners in the negotiations.

[ariel]

Originally Posted by kronckew

IMHO think it applies more to a creature made from dissimilar parts that should not or could not have been put together.

Not exactly. Here is Wikipedia:
"The term Chimera has come to describe any mythical or fictional animal with parts taken from various animals, or to describe anything composed of very disparate parts, or perceived as wildly imaginative, implausible, or dazzling."

This term is used in modern molecular biology: for example, hybrid genes, where regulatory region of one gene is fused with the coding region of another gene, or a single organism composed of cells with different genotypes.
The former is the cause of glucocorticoid-remediable hyperaldosteronism, a human disease causing hypertension. The latter has multiple human examples : again, Wikipedia:

-The Dutch sprinter Foekje Dillema was expelled from the 1950 national team after she refused a mandatory sex test in July 1950; later investigations revealed a Y-chromosome in her body cells, and the analysis showed that she probably was a 46,XX/46,XY mosaic female.[14]
-In 1953 a human chimera was reported in the British Medical Journal. A woman was found to have blood containing two different blood types. Apparently this resulted from her twin brother's cells living in her body.[15] A 1996 study found that such blood group chimerism is not rare.[16]
-Another report of a human chimera was published in 1998, where a male human had some partially developed female organs due to chimerism. He had been conceived by in-vitro fertilization.[3]
-In 2002, Lydia Fairchild was denied public assistance in Washington state when DNA evidence showed that she was not related to her children. A lawyer for the prosecution heard of a human chimera in New England, Karen Keegan, and suggested the possibility to the defense, who were able to show that Fairchild, too, was a chimera with two sets of DNA, and that one of those sets could have been the mother of the children.[17]
-In 2017, a human-pig chimera was reported to have been created, the chimera was also reported to have 0.001% human cells, with the balance being pig.

Chimeras are very real in biology. In the case of arm and armor they are widespread: the majority of older Indian swords have blades and handles coming from different sources ( see Elgood). Most, if not all, swords in the Topkapi collection of " Blessed Swords" are chimeric: the Ottomans put new handles on the swords taken from Mamluk armories.

[kronckew]

True, for chimaera.

I disagree that these yats were "composed of very disparate parts, or perceived as wildly imaginative, implausible"

All the parts fit the weapon and it's intended use, are not implausable, and the parts they used to rebuild the weapon were not wildy disparate in style or function, or culture. They are Not implausible, as they were not unique, a bit rare, but not unique. They were artistic, but still functional.

If they had welded the blade to a wheel lock pistol and glued a viking sword pommel to the pistol grip, THAT would be a chimaera. These are at worst, A marriage where the whole is more than just the parts.

[David R]

Originally Posted by kronckew

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In the latter part of the 17th C., There were a lot of yats available from the Turks just lying about for the taking after their owners didn't need them any more..... A few polite discussions outside Wien convinced the Turks to go home amost leaving their weapons behind for their Christian hosts who had admired them. ....
They, of course, converted them to better fit in with their own methodology and arts.

A neat summing up methinks of the origin of these interesting variations on the original theme.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by David R

A neat summing up methinks of the origin of these interesting variations on the original theme.

Agreed David! Spot on!