Relic of a Javanese kriss whith original warangka

David · 28th August 2018, 06:18 PM

Well, i don't think that it is too important whether or not this wrongko was made during the Mataram/Kartosuro period or not, it is still a nice example of a fairly rare Javanese keris sheath and certainly worthy of collection just for this dress alone. The hilt is also pretty nice. I agree with Jean though that it is unlikely that the dress dates back as far as the 18th century, though it would not be impossible i suppose.
The blade, however, well may. It is a pity that it has undergone so much blade erosion. If it were mine i might find a decent mendak just to return some dignity to the ensemble.

Jean · 28th August 2018, 07:35 PM

I am always hesitant to assess such a damaged blade, is it a precious but worn-out/ neglected pusaka or just worthless rubbish? In Europe the collectors tend to follow the second alternative, for instance I had little success in trying to sell these 2 very old krisses....
In the case of Athanase's kris, it is a pity that the blade be in such a poor condition indeed as it was certainly a very good piece originally. I would certainly have bought the kris just for the dress and hilt. A good way to re-use the blade would be to make a new blade partly from it for keeping its power...
Regards

Bejo · 29th August 2018, 09:09 AM

Hi,

I have a warongko that have similarities with warongko Wulan Tumanggal but in gayaman form. Does anyone have any information about my warongko?

Thank you,

Regards,

Joe

Athanase · 30th August 2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Well, i don't think that it is too important whether or not this wrongko was made during the Mataram/Kartosuro period or not, it is still a nice example of a fairly rare Javanese keris sheath and certainly worthy of collection just for this dress alone. The hilt is also pretty nice. I agree with Jean though that it is unlikely that the dress dates back as far as the 18th century, though it would not be impossible i suppose.
The blade, however, well may. It is a pity that it has undergone so much blade erosion. If it were mine i might find a decent mendak just to return some dignity to the ensemble.

I agree with you, for me it's unlikely that the scabbard is mid-18th century. Being reasonable I would say that it dates from the 19th century.

For the Mendak, I have several old but what are the typical forms from East Java? (to be in accordance with the handle)

Bejo · 31st August 2018, 11:25 AM

Hi,

They are some mendak that I think from East Java and Madura.

Regards,

Joe

Athanase · 1st September 2018, 10:39 AM

Thank you!

Jean · 1st September 2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bejo

Hi,

They are some mendak that I think from East Java and Madura.

Regards,

Joe

Nice mendaks collection, thank you! It seems to me that some pieces may be from Central Java but not a big deal!
Regards

David · 1st September 2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Nice mendaks collection, thank you! It seems to me that some pieces may be from Central Java but not a big deal!
Regards

I agree Jean. Here are some mendaks that were presented here a while back as East Jawa.

Bejo · 2nd September 2018, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Nice mendaks collection, thank you! It seems to me that some pieces may be from Central Java but not a big deal!
Regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I agree Jean. Here are some mendaks that were presented here a while back as East Jawa.

Hi,

If you don't mind, which of those mendak are maybe from Central Java? I upload the picture with numbers.

I still have confusion in determine mendak number 18. It looks like Jogja mendak, but I also feel like it is from East Java.

Thank you,

Best regards,

Joe

David · 2nd September 2018, 06:37 PM

Well, my understanding of traditional East Jawa mendaks is that that they are generally plainer and not usually bejeweled.
I could be wrong, but i would place #18 as Jogyakarta.

Of course, the bottom line for our friend Athanase here is that no one is really currently making East Madura style mendaks and antique ones will cost quite a bit so he will probably be best off settling for a more available style of Javanese mendak which will in the end still look much better that what is currently in place.

28th August 2018, 07:35 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I am always hesitant to assess such a damaged blade, is it a precious but worn-out/ neglected pusaka or just worthless rubbish? In Europe the collectors tend to follow the second alternative, for instance I had little success in trying to sell these 2 very old krisses.... In the case of Athanase's kris, it is a pity that the blade be in such a poor condition indeed as it was certainly a very good piece originally. I would certainly have bought the kris just for the dress and hilt. A good way to re-use the blade would be to make a new blade partly from it for keeping its power... Regards Attached Images

29th August 2018, 09:09 AM	#3
Bejo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: East Java, Indonesia Posts: 42	Hi, I have a warongko that have similarities with warongko Wulan Tumanggal but in gayaman form. Does anyone have any information about my warongko? Thank you, Regards, Joe Attached Images

31st August 2018, 11:25 AM	#5
Bejo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: East Java, Indonesia Posts: 42	Hi, They are some mendak that I think from East Java and Madura. Regards, Joe Attached Images Last edited by Bejo; 31st August 2018 at 12:49 PM.

28th August 2018, 06:18 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Well, i don't think that it is too important whether or not this wrongko was made during the Mataram/Kartosuro period or not, it is still a nice example of a fairly rare Javanese keris sheath and certainly worthy of collection just for this dress alone. The hilt is also pretty nice. I agree with Jean though that it is unlikely that the dress dates back as far as the 18th century, though it would not be impossible i suppose. The blade, however, well may. It is a pity that it has undergone so much blade erosion. If it were mine i might find a decent mendak just to return some dignity to the ensemble.

1st September 2018, 10:39 AM	#6
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 417	Thank you!

2nd September 2018, 06:37 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Well, my understanding of traditional East Jawa mendaks is that that they are generally plainer and not usually bejeweled. I could be wrong, but i would place #18 as Jogyakarta. Of course, the bottom line for our friend Athanase here is that no one is really currently making East Madura style mendaks and antique ones will cost quite a bit so he will probably be best off settling for a more available style of Javanese mendak which will in the end still look much better that what is currently in place.