An odd dha with dried leaves on it

RobT · 6th April 2006, 02:39 AM

Hi all,
Could the leaves have once been joined together to form a pouch to hold a by knife as on a Mandau sheath?
Sincerely,
RobT

Titus Pullo · 6th April 2006, 05:37 AM

I think it's Cambodian, though. I thought Thai swords are much shorter and probably heavier for fighting at close range. People think if it's heavy it's cumbersome. But you know what? Boxers are the best athletes...particularily Muay Thai boxers at the top.

PUFF · 6th April 2006, 09:45 AM

The blade has Katana tapering/curving profile with crude Tsuba, no Habaki abd has Dahb style hilt (and tang

I guessed). This is a good example of Katana-inspired SE asian blades. There is a Japanese record for a trading route between S. Japan and malaya peninsula in the late 16th cent. And in the early 17th cent., Japanese merchants and samurais (mostly ronin

) moved to Siam and established a Japanese settlement in Ayuthaya.

The story is their leader, Yamada Nagamasa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamada_Nagamasa), got a high position in Ayuthaya. And later, he moved to be a ruler in Nakhon Sri Thammarat (A province in the southern part of Thailand). After the Japanese colony in the Nakorn Sri Thammarat was destroyed by a new king of Siam, many Japanese manged to flee to the Cambodia. And these is the reason why Katana-inspired blades can be found in Cambodia, Central and southern Thailand

.

Any of you having a chance to visit Ayuthaya city should take a look of the still exist Japanese village.

PUFF · 6th April 2006, 11:23 AM

I don't have any idea about the bamboo leaves. For me, the leaves were cut and arranged in some manner. The material 's not very old. Looks like they has been used in annually traditional ritual for people in some area.

VANDOO · 6th April 2006, 04:45 PM

I WOULD THINK THE LEAVES ARE THERE FOR CEREMONIAL PURPOSES, VARIOUS KINDS OF LEAVES ARE USED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THE WORLD OVER. THE LEAVES LOOK LIKE TI LEAVES TO ME RATHER THAN BAMBOO AND THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF LEAF ,DIFFICULT TO TELL FROM A PICTURE. THE TI LEAF IS USED IN VARIOUS CEREMONYS AND TO PLACE OFFERINGS ON THE MAIRAE (ALTER) IN OLD HAWAIIAN CEREMONYS. THERE ARE ALSO SPECIAL LEAVES USED IN BORNEO TO PLACE ON THE HEADS TAKEN IN HEADHUNTING DAYS, THERE IS A RITUAL SUPPOSED TO BE PREFORMED EVERY YEAR TO REPLACE THESE LEAVES.
IF NOT CEREMONIAL THEY COULD BE THERE TO USE TO WIPE DOWN THE BLADE WHEN IT GOT DIRTY OR WET, A MORE EXOTIC CONJECTURE WOULD BE THAT THEY WERE POISON AND COULD BE WIPED ON THE BLADE JUST BEFORE A FIGHT. ALL JUST GUESSES

A NICE OLD EXAMPLE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE WIPED THE BLADE WITH DRY LEAVES MORE OFTEN.

kronckew · 9th April 2006, 07:21 AM

i've heard that burmese writing evolved from writing on leaves, could it be a prayer or magic spell to 'bless' the blade and it's user? if so, opening the folds to expose the writing will let the magic out and 'ruin' the prayer....

Titus Pullo · 9th April 2006, 08:09 AM

I'm not sure if writing on leaves has anything to do with it, though! If you look at the Burman writing, it has no corners; this means...when they wrote with letters, which have no corners, it would not damage the delicate leaves. The Burmese letters themselves evolved from Southern Indian ( I think ) and Mon.

6th April 2006, 02:39 AM	#1
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 551	just a guess Hi all, Could the leaves have once been joined together to form a pouch to hold a by knife as on a Mandau sheath? Sincerely, RobT

6th April 2006, 09:45 AM	#3
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	The blade has Katana tapering/curving profile with crude Tsuba, no Habaki abd has Dahb style hilt (and tang I guessed). This is a good example of Katana-inspired SE asian blades. There is a Japanese record for a trading route between S. Japan and malaya peninsula in the late 16th cent. And in the early 17th cent., Japanese merchants and samurais (mostly ronin ) moved to Siam and established a Japanese settlement in Ayuthaya. The story is their leader, Yamada Nagamasa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamada_Nagamasa), got a high position in Ayuthaya. And later, he moved to be a ruler in Nakhon Sri Thammarat (A province in the southern part of Thailand). After the Japanese colony in the Nakorn Sri Thammarat was destroyed by a new king of Siam, many Japanese manged to flee to the Cambodia. And these is the reason why Katana-inspired blades can be found in Cambodia, Central and southern Thailand . Any of you having a chance to visit Ayuthaya city should take a look of the still exist Japanese village. Last edited by PUFF; 6th April 2006 at 11:26 AM.

6th April 2006, 05:37 AM	#2
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	I think it's Cambodian, though. I thought Thai swords are much shorter and probably heavier for fighting at close range. People think if it's heavy it's cumbersome. But you know what? Boxers are the best athletes...particularily Muay Thai boxers at the top.

6th April 2006, 11:23 AM	#4
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	I don't have any idea about the bamboo leaves. For me, the leaves were cut and arranged in some manner. The material 's not very old. Looks like they has been used in annually traditional ritual for people in some area.

6th April 2006, 04:45 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I WOULD THINK THE LEAVES ARE THERE FOR CEREMONIAL PURPOSES, VARIOUS KINDS OF LEAVES ARE USED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THE WORLD OVER. THE LEAVES LOOK LIKE TI LEAVES TO ME RATHER THAN BAMBOO AND THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF LEAF ,DIFFICULT TO TELL FROM A PICTURE. THE TI LEAF IS USED IN VARIOUS CEREMONYS AND TO PLACE OFFERINGS ON THE MAIRAE (ALTER) IN OLD HAWAIIAN CEREMONYS. THERE ARE ALSO SPECIAL LEAVES USED IN BORNEO TO PLACE ON THE HEADS TAKEN IN HEADHUNTING DAYS, THERE IS A RITUAL SUPPOSED TO BE PREFORMED EVERY YEAR TO REPLACE THESE LEAVES. IF NOT CEREMONIAL THEY COULD BE THERE TO USE TO WIPE DOWN THE BLADE WHEN IT GOT DIRTY OR WET, A MORE EXOTIC CONJECTURE WOULD BE THAT THEY WERE POISON AND COULD BE WIPED ON THE BLADE JUST BEFORE A FIGHT. ALL JUST GUESSES A NICE OLD EXAMPLE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE WIPED THE BLADE WITH DRY LEAVES MORE OFTEN.

9th April 2006, 07:21 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,225	i've heard that burmese writing evolved from writing on leaves, could it be a prayer or magic spell to 'bless' the blade and it's user? if so, opening the folds to expose the writing will let the magic out and 'ruin' the prayer....

9th April 2006, 08:09 AM	#7
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	I'm not sure if writing on leaves has anything to do with it, though! If you look at the Burman writing, it has no corners; this means...when they wrote with letters, which have no corners, it would not damage the delicate leaves. The Burmese letters themselves evolved from Southern Indian ( I think ) and Mon.