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ariel · 10th August 2018, 06:19 PM

Well, as I said earlier, if the distant part of the blade is not thickened, it is not a Zirah Bouk.

mahratt · 10th August 2018, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Well, as I said earlier, if the distant part of the blade is not thickened, it is not a Zirah Bouk.

What we wanted to prove

rumpel9 · 11th August 2018, 09:50 PM

I little bit more about blade: From the place where the T-shaped spine ends, the section of the blade becomes diamond-shaped. But the thickness of the blade remainds alost the same. May be + less than one mm.

mahratt · 11th August 2018, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rumpel9

I little bit more about blade: From the place where the T-shaped spine ends, the section of the blade becomes diamond-shaped. But the thickness of the blade remainds alost the same. May be + less than one mm.

Here is the normal thickness of the blade Zirah Bouk:

ariel · 11th August 2018, 10:39 PM

Well, the original picture told the truth: instead of being flat along the entire length, the blade becomes diamond-shaped. This, with even a mild thickening, converts it into a reinforced one and suitable for mail/ armor piercing.

Seems it is a Zirah Bouk after all.

mahratt · 11th August 2018, 11:36 PM

In the message No. 40 - uniquely Zirah Bouk

ariel · 12th August 2018, 12:23 AM

Marius,
Artzi never used " Zirah Bouk" as an adjective, ie Blue skies, Fat person, Tasty food etc. Thus, I am not sure that your proposal of : Zirah Bouk Kard", "Zirah Bouk Peshkabz" , "Zirah Bouk Katar" etc can be used.

In both examples not clearly labeled as Zirah Bouk as such, he uses
" diamond cross-section tip in a typical Zirah-Bouk (Mail Piercer) tip" . The degree of swelling varied from example to example.
As a matter of fact, Artzi's item # 5887 does not differ one bit from Rumpel9's one.

mahratt · 12th August 2018, 12:43 AM

It has long been clear that Artzi's item # 5887 is Pesh Kabz, with a tip like Zirah Bouk. (although you can wait for what Artzi himself will say).
But here is what is written on the website armsandantiques.com: "A fine example of a 19th C. Indian kard but with a large and hardened inserted tip ito create an armor piercing tip in the form of a zirah bouk dagger"

http://armsandantiques.com/19th-c-w...d-dagger-id1134

Here, on specific examples, it was shown what Zirah Bouk is. It's never too late to learn

12th August 2018, 12:23 AM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Marius, Artzi never used " Zirah Bouk" as an adjective, ie Blue skies, Fat person, Tasty food etc. Thus, I am not sure that your proposal of : Zirah Bouk Kard", "Zirah Bouk Peshkabz" , "Zirah Bouk Katar" etc can be used. In both examples not clearly labeled as Zirah Bouk as such, he uses " diamond cross-section tip in a typical Zirah-Bouk (Mail Piercer) tip" . The degree of swelling varied from example to example. As a matter of fact, Artzi's item # 5887 does not differ one bit from Rumpel9's one. Last edited by ariel; 12th August 2018 at 02:39 AM.

12th August 2018, 12:43 AM	#8
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	It has long been clear that Artzi's item # 5887 is Pesh Kabz, with a tip like Zirah Bouk. (although you can wait for what Artzi himself will say). But here is what is written on the website armsandantiques.com: "A fine example of a 19th C. Indian kard but with a large and hardened inserted tip ito create an armor piercing tip in the form of a zirah bouk dagger" http://armsandantiques.com/19th-c-w...d-dagger-id1134 Here, on specific examples, it was shown what Zirah Bouk is. It's never too late to learn Attached Images

10th August 2018, 06:19 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, as I said earlier, if the distant part of the blade is not thickened, it is not a Zirah Bouk.

11th August 2018, 09:50 PM	#3
rumpel9 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 68	I little bit more about blade: From the place where the T-shaped spine ends, the section of the blade becomes diamond-shaped. But the thickness of the blade remainds alost the same. May be + less than one mm.

11th August 2018, 10:39 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, the original picture told the truth: instead of being flat along the entire length, the blade becomes diamond-shaped. This, with even a mild thickening, converts it into a reinforced one and suitable for mail/ armor piercing. Seems it is a Zirah Bouk after all.

11th August 2018, 11:36 PM	#6
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	In the message No. 40 - uniquely Zirah Bouk